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Author Topic: Prom 55 - Wagner and Debussy  (Read 852 times)
HtoHe
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« Reply #15 on: 00:07:42, 27-08-2007 »

I love 'Parsifal' but I've never been convinced by Prelude & Karfreitagszauber as a concert piece.  I was thinking of booking for this but it would have been too long away from home as I came down for The Apostles & Bluebeard.  So I'm back with the radio now until the first Jansons Prom.  I thought the Wagner was workmanlike (with the exception of the encore which sounded scintillating) and the Debussy was pleasant enough.  But I'm beginning to think I was right to skip this rather than miss the Strauss/Sibelius on Wednesday.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #16 on: 23:35:18, 27-08-2007 »

I read this today about the "Tristan chord", after being pointed there by something on TOP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_chord

I was intrigued to read that Sullivan used it in a recitative in HMS Pinafore so I tracked it down and I found it comes when Josephine enters in act two, just after her opening words of "the hours creep on apace".

But I think it's stretching things a bit to call it the Tristan chord there. In the treble stave of the vocal score, there are the notes F, A flat, B and E flat, so it's the same notes with A flat for G sharp and E flat for D sharp. But there's a G in the bass, rather as a pedal note, I think, and the E flat in Pinafore is more of a passing note and not really part of the chord. The chord in Pinafore resolves to C minor in the next bar.

I could be wrong, of course! But I don't think Sullivan had Tristan und Isolde in mind there.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #17 on: 23:47:48, 27-08-2007 »

I'd certainly never noticed it before - I can hear the passage in my head, but you've just brought to my attention the fact that my Pinafore score is nowhere to be found  Huh Huh Huh

For me the best piece of musical "borrowing" in Pinafore is the Erlkönig motif in the intro to "A-many Years Ago" Wink
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #18 on: 00:59:44, 29-08-2007 »

For me the best piece of musical "borrowing" in Pinafore is the Erlkönig motif in the intro to "A-many Years Ago" Wink

And by coincidence Erlkönig was on Radio 3 this morning. Great fun!
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Bert Coules
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« Reply #19 on: 09:21:42, 29-08-2007 »

And by coincidence Erlkönig was on Radio 3 this morning. Great fun!

Oh, I do so agree.  There's nothing jollier than the death of a child.

Bert
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