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Author Topic: Prom 55 - Wagner and Debussy  (Read 852 times)
Tony Watson
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« on: 21:27:45, 25-08-2007 »

I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't broadcast the encore on BBC2. Would it really have hurt to stay for five more minutes?

Beautiful music beautifully played (though perhaps not the horns' best night) but perhaps too much beautiful music beautifully played, which is why a rousing encore would have rounded the whole thing off nicely.
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« Reply #1 on: 21:39:36, 25-08-2007 »

I shouldn't be surprised but they didn't broadcast the encore on BBC2. Would it really have hurt to stay for five more minutes?

Tell me about it, Tony.  I switched on the telly after listening to the radio broadcast because I wanted to hear the encore again.  I note they had time for Debbie Wiseman - who must have been coming to the end of her stock of quotes about Wagner if she had to use that puerile quip she attributed to Oscar Wilde - and, of course, they still had time for several trailers before the next programme started.

I've now reverted to my recording of the radio broadcast - mainly to check that some clicking noises I heard during the second half were coming from something other than my radio, but also to catch that superbly-played Lohengrin again.
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« Reply #2 on: 21:43:32, 25-08-2007 »

I was rather surprised when the BBC2 announcer said afterwards that she hoped the temporary loss of sound didn't spoil our enjoyment of the concert. It did, rather....loss of sound in a concert is quite important.

Bernard Haitink has looked the same for year and years.
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« Reply #3 on: 21:49:11, 25-08-2007 »

to check that some clicking noises I heard during the second half were coming from something other than my radio

I also heard those noises, HtoHe. I think there's nothing wrong with your radio. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: 22:23:01, 25-08-2007 »

to check that some clicking noises I heard during the second half were coming from something other than my radio

I also heard those noises, HtoHe. I think there's nothing wrong with your radio. Wink

Thanks, Pim, but I think my worries are over.  I think I can guess the noises you mean – a fairly loud bump at the start of the ‘Tristan’ piece and various other little background noises?  But I was getting a fairly regular clicking sound, almost like a scratch on a vinyl record for about five minutes.  I hoped, rather confidently, that it was coming from somewhere else and I wasn’t going to interrupt my listening to search for the source – I couldn’t have done anything about it anyway.  But my minidisc recording – encore and all - seems fine.
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« Reply #5 on: 23:55:20, 25-08-2007 »

Tonight's was the first Prom this year that I'd managed to see any of on TV; what was that large square area in the middle of the arena?  For a fleeting moment I hoped it was a sort of giant trampoline, but alas, if it was, no-one was brave enough to take advantage of it.

I enjoyed what I saw of the concert but the Liebestod sounds so empty without Isolde.  And the presenter and his cronies were really rather embarrassing.

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Tony Watson
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« Reply #6 on: 00:01:44, 26-08-2007 »

I was puzzled by that large black rectangle in the middle too. And why was Nicholas Owen presenting it? He actually did rather well but I kept on expecting him to read out the news.
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« Reply #7 on: 08:54:22, 26-08-2007 »

The staging area in the centre of the Arena was, I'm told, there in preparation for Monday afternoon's concert "The Water-Diviner's Tale".  I suspect there was a rehearsal for it yesterday afternoon, and that it'll be there until Monday afternoon's prom is over.
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« Reply #8 on: 10:40:46, 26-08-2007 »

Ruth,

Thanks for that information.  That kind of imaginative staging is what I was hoping they'd do with the Götterdämmerung, which seems to have been something of an opportunity missed.

Tony,

Perhaps I was over-harsh about Mr Owen, but there was for me an air of the dutiful reader about him rather than the genuinely knowledgable enthusiast.  I was at least grateful to his scriptwriter for the Richard Strauss quote - I just conducted my first Tristan: it was the best day of my life - which I'd not encountered before.

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eruanto
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« Reply #9 on: 11:30:11, 26-08-2007 »

Utterly downright stupid having the box in the middle, on such a popular night. I wouldn't be surprised if a few hundred were turned away because of it.  Angry

Ruth, what was that I heard you saying in the interval about Parsifal fans saying that the excerpts therefrom were 'a boring interpretation'?

I thought it was a shame there couldn't be more of it, but that's just me. The Debussy in the first half however I did find rather tedious... And then the singers after the interval had intonation trouble at one point.

Wagner good, Debussy... hmm...
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« Reply #10 on: 17:39:43, 26-08-2007 »

Perhaps I was over-harsh about Mr Owen, but there was for me an air of the dutiful reader about him rather than the genuinely knowledgable enthusiast.  I was at least grateful to his scriptwriter for the Richard Strauss quote - I just conducted my first Tristan: it was the best day of my life - which I'd not encountered before.
Well, I knew that quote from long ago but it did no harm at all to repeat it, especially since it helped to provide a credible foil for the announcer's description of the Prelude and Liebestod as "the Readers' Digest version" of that astounding opera - a remark so risible it almost made me laugh as I threw up into the small brown paper bag I usually keep for such purposes...

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« Reply #11 on: 17:55:51, 26-08-2007 »

But I was getting a fairly regular clicking sound, almost like a scratch on a vinyl record for about five minutes.  I hoped, rather confidently, that it was coming from somewhere else and I wasn’t going to interrupt my listening to search for the source – I couldn’t have done anything about it anyway.  But my minidisc recording – encore and all - seems fine.

Sometimes MiniDiscs themselves can make that ticking sound.

There were audible thumps in the Hall itself on Wednesday, definitely of an electronic nature: one just before the orchestra started playing; either the P.A. being switched off or else a sound-reinforcement system, which sounds bizarre but might not be impossible: close attention to the FM broadcast (trombone solo in particular) suggests that there might well have been some extra amplification going on - either that or the engineers had two phase-disjunct mics open simultaneously.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:05:37, 26-08-2007 »


Sometimes MiniDiscs themselves can make that ticking sound.


Thanks, Ron; that sounds a likely explanation.  I presume you mean the recorder was making making the clicking noises but not transferring them to the disc.  Does this mean my recorder is on its last legs or is it just one of those things that happen now and then?
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« Reply #13 on: 22:12:10, 26-08-2007 »

It's usually a batch fault with the discs themselves, rather than the recorder, HtoHe: try a disc from another manufacturer if possible, just to see if the noise is reduplicated: I'm expecting that it won't be.
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« Reply #14 on: 23:39:12, 26-08-2007 »

Ruth, what was that I heard you saying in the interval about Parsifal fans saying that the excerpts therefrom were 'a boring interpretation'?
Yes indeed, a friend who is a complete Parsifal-nut said he was really bored by it.  I was too, but then I have trouble engaging with Parsifal unless it's absolutely amazing (the Rattle prom in 2000 was one of my first Proms - also my first Parsifal - and THAT did it for me!)
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