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Author Topic: Prom 6 - Messiaen, Saint-Saëns  (Read 590 times)
Ruth Elleson
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« on: 16:52:04, 21-07-2008 »

Just thought it was time I opened an account on this evening's concert before I set off to the queue in a few minutes' time Smiley

Messiaen: L'Ascension (for organ)
Messiaen: Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum
Saint-Saëns: Symphony No. 3, 'Organ' [it's the fourth day of the season, btw, and this is the first symphony we've had!]

Oliver Latry, organ/Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France/Myung-Whun Chung, conductor

Live on BBC4 [again, I think that's the first time this season - I hope one of you who's watching at home will let us know if they do better than BBC1 reportedly did the other night...]

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« Reply #1 on: 18:13:39, 21-07-2008 »

Live on BBC4 for the first time this season? Hmmm, so was yesterday's evening concert from Folk Day just a mirage, Ruth, or are you going all TOPpy on us? CH introducing from the auditorium, too, rather than the First Night's isolation suite (though that was perhaps just a special concession for folkies).

(And wasn't it Beeb2?)

[Oh, and isn't Scriabin's P de l'e also his 4th symphony?]
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« Reply #2 on: 19:21:50, 21-07-2008 »

Given that Ruth is 'online' now, just minutes before the concert, can we assume we have a 'live link' to the RAH? Any requests, anyone?!!  Cheesy
How about "Arena to audience. Kindly do not clap between movements in the Saint-Saens"?! I shall be listening, Ruth.

Good to see on the tv that they've got rid of the 'space-pod'.
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« Reply #3 on: 21:01:54, 21-07-2008 »

Possb ly M StSns had the same  problem on debut mvts segued so only one clap faux pas opp. Enjoyed Et Expecto  but gongs seemed somewhat hollow- clangy rather than properly boomy. once met don conreaux who constructs gong gardens pert nent meth ns here. myung-wha n ce guy whatever happened  to females of clan? 
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« Reply #4 on: 22:25:45, 21-07-2008 »

Have only seen / heard the Saint-Saens so far since I was late home from work. Have recorded it so will catch up on the Messaien.

But I did see Eruanto in the front row applauding at the end of the symphony !
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« Reply #5 on: 22:53:45, 21-07-2008 »

What a wonderfully friendly noise!

Afraid I didn't fall for the wind band piece, although it did hold the attention.  I felt a bit sorry for the players who either couldn't be heard, or could but didn't have much interesting to play.  (Special mention to the 3rd C trumpeter)

L'Ascension very enjoyable.  Particularly the first movement, where the melody meandered across gratuitously unrelated harmonies.  The third reminded me in style of the snippet from the first night, but worked better for me (and what a sound!).  The diminuendo to close was almost imperceptable, and I think a lot of the audience (me certainly) were caught out by ending on the dominant.

As for the encore, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBl4qH9I54&feature=related

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« Reply #6 on: 01:32:11, 22-07-2008 »

Well, I went mainly to hear the Messiaen, and especially "Et Exspecto Resurectionem Mortuorum", and was not disappointed one little bit, (well there was the matter of the fidgets and that damned blond woman to my right, who insisted on clicking away with her SLR during the quietest passages, but apart from that ... ). I was so impressed with the way the wind, brass and percussion played, and with the decent pauses observed between the movements (not the minute called for by the composer, but not that far off), that I was tempted to leave at the interval to avoid a half-expected anticlimax. Fortunately I decided against. I found the performance of the Saint-Saens quite, quite wonderful. It was going well enough, but when it got he the scherzo, the tempo was just so dead right, and the playing so joyous that it quite won me over. I even enjoyed the Esso advert as encore. Wink

By the way, I failed to note that the concert was down to be broadcast live, and due to the closure of part of the M4 out of London, I only made it back with 10 minutes to spare before the scheduled start time of the early hours repeat. Then came the discovery that despite my apparent cure for the loss of satellite signal but replacing the LNB, tonight there was again no signal reported. Sad Fortunately Freeview, and late running of the Prom repeat, came to the rescue, and at this time of night there is no traffic around to disrupt the signal.

I note that Hazlewood mentioned the percussionist who was playing the gongs in the final movement of "Et Exspecto Resurectionem Mortuorum". What he did not mention is that on his last stroke on the smallest gong he was using, he sent it flying. Fortunately he continued without pause to the medium size gong for the close. Amazingly, the gong which took to the air did not seem to land with a disturbing crash. I have now heard the Radio 3 version, and which the mishap does get a mention, as it also does over at TOP.

I am also having a go at saving the iPlayer version of Part 1 of the Prom, using Total Recorder. There seems to be quite a lot of what sounds like clipping distortion in the iPlayer version.
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« Reply #7 on: 02:46:20, 22-07-2008 »

Possb ly M StSns had the same  problem on debut mvts segued so only one clap faux pas opp. Enjoyed Et Expecto  but gongs seemed somewhat hollow- clangy rather than properly boomy. once met don conreaux who constructs gong gardens pert nent meth ns here. myung-wha n ce guy whatever happened  to females of clan? 

I have a feeling it was the 'clothes rails' from which the gongs were hanging which may have been the source of the clangy effects. The crotals were a bit duff, I thought. I was reminded of a comment made when the Erato/CBS recording, directed by Boulez, came out. I think it may have been Felix Aprahamian who described the the sound of the BBC gongs used in the first UK performnance (Dorati) as kitchen pans by comparison to what Boulez had available.
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« Reply #8 on: 07:08:56, 22-07-2008 »

Fortunately I decided against. I found the performance of the Saint-Saens quite, quite wonderful. It was going well enough, but when it got he the scherzo, the tempo was just so dead right, and the playing so joyous that it quite won me over.

I quite agree. The S-S may well be overplayed, but I thoroughly enjoyed this performance which, as you say, seemed so 'right'. Do you know Jongen's Symphonie concertante? I would like to hear that in the RAH some time! I didn't hear too much of Et Exspecto Resurectionem Mortuorum, as I had a few phone calls to answer, but have it recorded on the hard drive. I don't know the piece at all, but was struck by the sonorities Messiaen wrote.
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« Reply #9 on: 09:55:49, 22-07-2008 »

Fortunately I decided against. I found the performance of the Saint-Saens quite, quite wonderful. It was going well enough, but when it got he the scherzo, the tempo was just so dead right, and the playing so joyous that it quite won me over.

I quite agree. The S-S may well be overplayed, but I thoroughly enjoyed this performance which, as you say, seemed so 'right'. Do you know Jongen's Symphonie concertante? I would like to hear that in the RAH some time! I didn't hear too much of Et Exspecto Resurectionem Mortuorum, as I had a few phone calls to answer, but have it recorded on the hard drive. I don't know the piece at all, but was struck by the sonorities Messiaen wrote.

I'm afraid I do not know the Jongen work, IGI. Perhaps I should investigate it?
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« Reply #10 on: 15:45:16, 22-07-2008 »

myung-wha n ce guy whatever happened  to females of clan? 
I don't know what they're doing now, but I love my 1975 recording of Prokofiev's D maj and G min violin concertos by  Kyung-Wha.   There was a very brief focus on two Korean-looking ladies in the audience of about the right age, so I don't know if that was the camera man having a guess. I don't think he said they were in the audience though, did he? I doubt they'd have time by the sound of it.

Found this much:

[Myung-wha]..Chung is the eldest of the Chung Trio, which comprises cellist Myung-wha, violinist Kyung-wha and maestro and pianist Myung-hun. The trio of the Chung family has drawn public attention and the media spotlight since it was first organized in 1969.

In music history, there have been other trios consisting of masters. However, few trios can match the ensemble performance of the Chung Trio. With Myung-hun's deep and profound piano, Kyung-wha's quick violin and Myung-wha's smooth and dignified cello, the three musicians converse with each other through their music and create sophisticated musical tones that can be attributed to the natural harmony of siblings who were born to the same mother.

But there are not many chances to hear the trio's performances because Myung-wha lives in Korea, Kyung-wha in New York and Myung-hun in Paris. Furthermore, as each of them has a hectic performance schedule as a top-notch individual musician, it is difficult for them to meet and give performances together several times a year.

Despite their busy schedules, the trio has actively participated in social service activities. They served as goodwill ambassadors for the U.N International Drug Control Programme in 1992. And Myung-wha has served as a goodwill ambassador for the Korean branch of UNICEF.
 


Here they are:

Ahh.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: 16:33:02, 22-07-2008 »

I'm afraid I do not know the Jongen work, IGI. Perhaps I should investigate it?

I have this recording, Bryn, with Latry and the Liege Philharmonic, which I can highly recommend. The recording of the S-S is probably finer than his Philadelphia account too:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jongen-Symphonie-Concertante-Saint-Sa%C3%ABns-Symphony/dp/B000Q7ZOIK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1216740658&sr=8-3

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« Reply #12 on: 12:55:28, 23-07-2008 »

The Jongen should be done at the rah sometime, eh? I was thinking about this piece the other day, thanks for the heads up.
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« Reply #13 on: 13:02:31, 23-07-2008 »

myung-wha n ce guy whatever happened  to females of clan? 
I don't know what they're doing now, but I love my 1975 recording of Prokofiev's D maj and G min violin concertos by  Kyung-Wha.   There was a very brief focus on two Korean-looking ladies in the audience of about the right age, so I don't know if that was the camera man having a guess. I don't think he said they were in the audience though, did he? I doubt they'd have time by the sound of it.

Found this much:

[Myung-wha]..Chung is the eldest of the Chung Trio, which comprises cellist Myung-wha, violinist Kyung-wha and maestro and pianist Myung-hun. The trio of the Chung family has drawn public attention and the media spotlight since it was first organized in 1969.

In music history, there have been other trios consisting of masters. However, few trios can match the ensemble performance of the Chung Trio. With Myung-hun's deep and profound piano, Kyung-wha's quick violin and Myung-wha's smooth and dignified cello, the three musicians converse with each other through their music and create sophisticated musical tones that can be attributed to the natural harmony of siblings who were born to the same mother.

But there are not many chances to hear the trio's performances because Myung-wha lives in Korea, Kyung-wha in New York and Myung-hun in Paris. Furthermore, as each of them has a hectic performance schedule as a top-notch individual musician, it is difficult for them to meet and give performances together several times a year.

Despite their busy schedules, the trio has actively participated in social service activities. They served as goodwill ambassadors for the U.N International Drug Control Programme in 1992. And Myung-wha has served as a goodwill ambassador for the Korean branch of UNICEF.
 


Here they are:

Ahh.  Smiley





Great, Thanks Ruby- interesting diversion that KW and her sister took with UNICEF, I wonder what prompted it- exemplarary urban consciousness I guess.
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« Reply #14 on: 22:33:43, 24-07-2008 »

The Proms are one week old and I'm already three days behind... yes, I've only just listened to this. Perhaps I should give up on trying to listen to all of them...

I found my attention wandering during the solo organ piece. It was just a bit... boring. Maybe it would grow on me  Undecided

I loved the rest of the programme, though. I think Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortuorum (is that right? it doesn't look right) is my new favourite piece of music  Smiley

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