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Author Topic: Proms 10 August, Stuart MacRae - Unity  (Read 328 times)
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« on: 20:23:12, 10-08-2008 »

I did not have time to listen to the whole concert, but I listened to the first piece (that is Sturat MacRae Unity).

I want to congratulate the composer upon his piece being on air and many people could listen to the music. On the first listening and with no notes or explanations I thought that at time it sounded angry (or upset) and at times it was quiet. I will have to listen on listen again to be able to say something more meaningful.

I am listening to Nicholas Maw - Sextet for strings played by Aronowitz Ensemble now. I don't know what the singer is singing about. This would be helpful in my understanding.

I hope some members of the board tuned in for the concert. I wish I could write something more meaningful, but may be some other members can write their opinion or explanation of the music.


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« Reply #1 on: 21:07:31, 10-08-2008 »

I was more taken by the chamber piece Unity that was in the New Generation artists prog before the prom. Would need to hear Gaudete again ( as is usually the case with a premiere anyway ) and would certainly benefit from reading the text that Stuart set since I always have trouble discerning the words where "operatic" voices are concerned.
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« Reply #2 on: 01:17:49, 11-08-2008 »

Yes, I too found Gaudete the sort of work I can't begin to take in on a single hearing. When the orchestration is so richly and intricately upholstered and the singer's tone (gorgeous though it may be) is perhaps slightly at the expense of enunciation, then words which are apparently already complex (see the programme notes) become little more than abstract sounds, making it even harder to get a handle on the piece. In cases like this, the text should surely be part and parcel of the notes, though there may have been a copyright issue preventing their publication.

I'm guessing that the performers did the composer proud, though. What must have been a challenging and taxing vocal part requiring a huge range (B below middle C to top E according to Rob Cowan's radio introduction) was handled with aplomb by Susanna Andersson, and the orchestra, under Ed Gardner, sounded well drilled. Apart from the online catch-up repeat, there's another broadcast on Friday afternoon.
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« Reply #3 on: 08:14:44, 11-08-2008 »

Thank you, Ron Dough for this link.
I could feel that the piece is dramatic and expressive. The orchestration was expressive and dramatic, the vocal line is emotional, but I could not understand what was it about.

To listen to Gaudete even the first time one has to prepare himself. But even on the first listening with little understanding of the text one can appreciate expressivity, vocal lines, intricacies, mysterious beauty in some places.
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« Reply #4 on: 09:07:43, 11-08-2008 »

I only caught the last few minutes, having entirely forgotten about it.  Embarrassed So I'll have to catch up later. Shame Stuart doesn't seem to be around any more - it would be interesting to hear how he felt it went...
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« Reply #5 on: 09:19:48, 11-08-2008 »

Yes, I've been wondering whether he's gone temporarily or for good too.

The piece seemed strongly conceived for the orchestra, if rather conventionally shaped. A touch of Tippettian fast blues in the 'dead man lies' section, perhaps, or was that just my active imagination? Wink
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« Reply #6 on: 09:33:54, 11-08-2008 »

I was sensing some Tippett-like textures, too: though is that partly because of the forces? Could it be that Tippett's Byzantium - a similarly extended setting for soaring soprano and orchestra - has cast at least a touch of influence on Gaudete?
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« Reply #7 on: 14:42:09, 11-08-2008 »

If Suart is around.  I did wonder at what stage in the compositional process the soloist was decided, or was it simply a case of who could be booked for the gig?
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« Reply #8 on: 14:45:16, 11-08-2008 »

IIRC, the radio introduction stated that the piece was written with that specific soloist in mind: I can check back on that later.
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« Reply #9 on: 15:06:59, 11-08-2008 »

IIRC, the radio introduction stated that the piece was written with that specific soloist in mind: I can check back on that later.

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« Reply #10 on: 15:58:19, 11-08-2008 »

Thanks for the above comments, and thanks for listening! No, I haven't disappeared from r3ok for good, but have deliberately been working away from my desk (at the piano) for the last couple of months - which has kept me away from the computer a bit!

I fully accept that Gaudete could be a difficult work to form a strong impression of at first listening (in fact I haven't yet formed a strong impression of it as a listener myself!)

Interesting to hear the comparisons to Tippett - someone mentioned that to me last night as well - but strangely the only sections I can relate to Tippett are not those other people have mentioned! I don't know Byzantium, though I'm certainly going to look into it now...if there's any direct influence from Tippett, it's the 3rd Symphony, which was kindly suggested by time_is_now while I was writing the piece. Perhaps the approaches to the orchestra (and perhaps the voice) that comes most instinctively to me just happens to be reminiscent of those favoured by Tippett. I certainly don't know enough of his work to count him a major influence (Birtwistle, for example, is a much more obvious influence for me).

I wrote the piece specifically for Susanna after working with her last year. And yes, the musicians did me proud: there were a few imperfections but then it wasn't an easy piece! So I'm delighted.

If anyone would like a copy of the text, PM me and I'll give you a copy.
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« Reply #11 on: 16:03:26, 11-08-2008 »

So sometimes listening on the radio has its advantages (would have been a usfeul addition to the otherwise very good programme note-the printed version did contain the full text incidentally, but obviously remains in copyright).  It certainly seemed an extremely difficult vocal line,and I had the impression, once or twice (to be hypercritical) that something had just got away from her.  I think the high tessitura also had something to do with the enunciation issues Ron mentioned, the "i" in "sing" was inevitably modified as that vowel sound is very difficult on higher notes.

Now Suart has surfaced, I'll say that I almost introduced myself as a group of us came out from the hall after doing the charity count, but since he was obviously in the middle of farewells, I thought it probably wasn't the best moment.
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