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What does anyone think of Jane Manning's Harawi?
My main problem with it is you wouldn't be able to tell which language it was in if you didn't already know. Well, I was at the PCM yesterday, with the words in front of me (and no other programme notes at all - the lack of introductory notes really can be quite a hindrance in the PCM programmes) and I can't honestly say I knew what language half of it was in, if any  |
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir
Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen,
Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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« Reply #31 on: 15:16:27, 12-08-2008 » |
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There's one very clear thread, which is that those you like are instrumental and those you don't both have voices! I hadn't even noticed the obvious  |
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« Reply #32 on: 15:23:45, 12-08-2008 » |
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I wonder what IRF would make of Cinq Réchants or Trois petites liturgies de la Présence divine. Both make use of the voice in such extraordinarily unusual ways/combinations that hm. I don't know. I just wonder what he'd make of them.
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« Reply #33 on: 16:50:27, 12-08-2008 » |
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What does anyone think of Jane Manning's Harawi?
My main problem with it is you wouldn't be able to tell which language it was in if you didn't already know. Well, I was at the PCM yesterday, with the words in front of me (and no other programme notes at all - the lack of introductory notes really can be quite a hindrance in the PCM programmes) and I can't honestly say I knew what language half of it was in, if any Yes, her French diction wasn't up to much either, but it was way better than Jane Manning's IMO. |
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« Reply #34 on: 03:29:46, 13-08-2008 » |
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A certain amount of ferreting around behind the scenes is very much required to know what's going on in Harawi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harawihttp://www.dilettantemusic.com/music/14278/work/overviewI have a feeling someone had put a rather illuminating essay online a while back but I can't find it for the moment and must get something done with my day. But those should give interested parties something to be going on with. Richard, do you know this recording? It makes me think of you. http://www.buy.com/prod/messiaen-harawi-chant-d-amour/q/loc/109/201982933.htmlCinq rechants is indeed another stunner and forms Messiaen's 'Tristan and Isolde' trilogy with Turangalîla and Harawi. That's a big chunk of his work which doesn't mention God and hardly mentions birds, in case they've proved stumbling-blocks for Members...  His life at the time probably has a bit to do with all that and the essentials aren't hard to find. |
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« Reply #35 on: 10:04:06, 13-08-2008 » |
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Richard, do you know this recording? It makes me think of you.
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« Reply #37 on: 12:13:15, 13-08-2008 » |
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Oh, yes, that one. No I don't know it. (This multiple-personality thing is a bit frustrating in some ways.) I'm embarrassed to say that I don't really know Cinq rechants from a trou dans le sol. Must put that right some time. |
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« Reply #38 on: 03:42:24, 14-08-2008 » |
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Whaddabout Twoipetiliturjeedelapresongxdeevin? Any thoughts on that one from Members? It is one of my favorite of his pieces! Such an imaginative orchestration and so on. I put it next to Sept Haikai as the most overlooked Messiaen.
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« Reply #39 on: 04:12:44, 14-08-2008 » |
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We can only assume the Member to have intended Twoipetitliturjeedelapresongxdeeveen about which we are in two minds. Although musically speaking we are indeed rather fond of it and it is indeed Now Spinning at the back of our head this was certainly one of those works concerning which familiarity with the text decidedly did not help us. |
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« Reply #40 on: 11:25:51, 14-08-2008 » |
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Whaddabout Twoipetiliturjeedelapresongxdeevin? Any thoughts on that one from Members? It is one of my favorite of his pieces! Such an imaginative orchestration and so on. I put it next to Sept Haikai as the most overlooked Messiaen.
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #41 on: 19:04:49, 14-08-2008 » |
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Ah, tant pis.
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« Reply #42 on: 23:14:54, 20-08-2008 » |
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Somewhere I have a CD-R transfer of a broadcast performance by the CBSO/Rattle [of Messiaen's Chronochromie], but I don't recall that being all that gripping.
Just found it while looking for something else. The notes all seem to be there, in the right order and played with technical proficiency. Um, that's about it, except I think it's rather better than the Boulez on DG. Must check to see if HMV have woken up to the forthcoming release of the revamped Dorati recording. [Just checked. They have indeed woken up to it's coming:http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=853673 ] |
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