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I didn't like this at all  Why am I developing such a love-hate relationship with Messiaen? Half of what I hear from him I think is the best thing since sliced bread, the other half is all but unlistenable. I don't think any other composer has that effect on me  |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #1 on: 16:23:04, 11-08-2008 » |
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Half of what I hear from him I think is the best thing since sliced bread, the other half is all but unlistenable. Which pieces fall into which half? |
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jennyhorn
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« Reply #2 on: 17:33:46, 11-08-2008 » |
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i enjoyed Harawi rather more when Lore Lixenberg did it at the Warehouse in 2004- i wondered whether this afternoon`s ( i was there)performance was too beautiful. The invented language bits sounded too normal...i could be mistaken.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #3 on: 17:34:56, 11-08-2008 » |
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I've just listened to the broadcast and I'm not sure it's a good idea to base one's opinion of Harawi on this performance. I found the singing very uncontrolled and unfocused, and not an attractive sound at all, though the range Messiaen expects from ths singer is quite exceptional and this must be the main reason why it isn't performed very often. Also the piano playing is somewhat unsubtle and monochrome. Having said that it isn't one of the Messiaen pieces I listen to very often either.
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« Reply #4 on: 17:45:43, 11-08-2008 » |
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May I recommend Rachei Yakar with Mme Loriod on this one?
Or Michele Command avec Marie-Madeleine Petit, piano?
Don't know ipdair still being distributed.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #5 on: 17:51:36, 11-08-2008 » |
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May I recommend Rachei Yakar with Mme Loriod on this one?
Or Michele Command avec Marie-Madeleine Petit, piano?
You may, and you'd find me seconding both, with a slight preference for the first. |
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jennyhorn
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« Reply #6 on: 21:24:22, 11-08-2008 » |
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what are your feeling about different recordings of chronochromie? there seems quite a gulf between the rather prosaic version on DG (Boulez) and the one from the 60`s (Dorati/BBCSO)- -basically,the latter feels like a real performance,alive to the drama of the piece.
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« Reply #7 on: 21:35:22, 11-08-2008 » |
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what are your feeling about different recordings of chronochromie? there seems quite a gulf between the rather prosaic version on DG (Boulez) and the one from the 60`s (Dorati/BBCSO)- -basically,the latter feels like a real performance,alive to the drama of the piece.
Unfortunately the CD transfer I have of the Dorati, (the LP version of which was my introduction to the work, many, many years ago), has some rather annoying tape 'snatches' (old edits). If there is a more recent re-mastering, devoid of such nasties, please do tell. Re. the Boulez (DG), I really think he has fallen out of what sympathy he had for Messiaen's muse. I have not much liked any of his DG recordings of Messiaen's works. [Ah, I see that EMI are to issue what looks likely to be a new transfer next month,  ] |
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« Reply #8 on: 21:53:48, 11-08-2008 » |
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Ah, I see that EMI are to issue what looks likely to be a new transfer next month. Ah, with a classic recording of Quatuor pour la fin du temps too.  (I have it already. That Quatuor performance I mean. Which unfortunately means I probably won't get round to hearing this Dorati Chronochromie for a while yet.) |
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« Reply #9 on: 21:58:32, 11-08-2008 » |
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thanks for that Bryn-i have to admit i hadn`t noticed those glitches you mention.Hopefully corrected in the latest transfer which has the advantage of showing the original cover artwork.
whatever the case,i think i`d always steer away from Boulez version-the lack of sympathy which you mention is all too apparent.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #10 on: 22:06:59, 11-08-2008 » |
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Agreed. Unfortunately the Boulez is the only recording of Chronochromie I've ever heard, and I thought it was just a somewhat unsuccessful piece. I shall be looking out for the reissue.
Where's Mr RockFan? I also wanted to say that when I was at school and discovering twentieth-century composition, almost the only composer I could get my progressive rock oriented friends to enjoy was Messiaen.
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Bryn
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« Reply #11 on: 22:12:51, 11-08-2008 » |
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In the meantime, I think I will give my CD-R transfer a Dolby S cassette of the FM broadcast of the Messiaen Weekend performance (17 January 1999) by the BBCSO/Andrew Davis a spin. I remember that as being a pretty good performance. Somewhere I have a CD-R transfer of a broadcast performance by the CBSO/Rattle, but I don't recall that being all that gripping.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:15:38, 11-08-2008 » |
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Where's Mr RockFan? I also wanted to say that when I was at school and discovering twentieth-century composition, almost the only composer I could get my progressive rock oriented friends to enjoy was Messiaen.
I don't have many (progressive rock oriented friends), but if I did I think I'd be recommending this to them. Not entirely unrelated to Messiaen. |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #13 on: 22:30:33, 11-08-2008 » |
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I don't have many (progressive rock oriented friends) Of course you don't, I'm talking about the 1970s here.   |
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jennyhorn
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« Reply #14 on: 22:31:28, 11-08-2008 » |
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an astute connection-James Dillon who used to be in a rock band, was drawn to the Grisey-this is first apparent in Überschreiten i think.
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