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Author Topic: St John Passion, Sunday  (Read 439 times)
Mary Chambers
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« on: 09:43:10, 25-08-2008 »

I watched this on BBC4 last night. One has to overlook the strange happenings that resulted from faults in transmission - the odd breakdown, the surprising moment where the Barabbas chorus suddenly bust into Robin Blaze's first aria (how on earth did that happen?) - and concentrate on the actual performance, which I though was excellent in nearly every way. It's a piece I know very well, having sung in it many times, but I've hardly ever heard a performance as audience.

At first I wasn't sure about Mark Padmore's Evangelist. It seemed self-conscious rather than committed, but as the performance went on he became more genuinely involved with what he was singing, and there is no doubt he can sing it. (I don't like his new look, though!) I was very impressed by Matthew Brook in everything he did - he reminded me of Peter Pears, obviously not vocally, but in his ability to engage with what he's doing, and with the audience. No higher compliment from me! Peter Harvey's Christus was good enough, and I loved the soprano Katherine Fuge. It was very interesting to see Jeremy Budd and Nicholas Mulroy in the tenor arias - I remember them both as boy choristers, Budd at St Paul's, and Mulroy at Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral. They seem to be progressing as one would hope. The Monteverdi Choir and English Baroque Soloists under John Eliot Gardiner were, of course, excellent.

I love this piece, and even though it's at least a dozen years since I last sang in it, I remember every note. In fact, I prefer it to the Matthew in many ways. So much compressed, intense drama.
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« Reply #1 on: 10:54:29, 25-08-2008 »

I enjoyed it very much too, Mary. I was listening on R3 so managed to miss the breaks and unexpected interpolations(!). On the other hand I'm now having to rein my imagination in on what Mark Padmore's 'new look' might be.

On one tiny point, I liked Katherine Fuge's voice too but did she do something rather odd in her final aria (Dissolve then, heart, in floods of tears)? She introduced some very strange (to me) broken phrasing on the word 'tot' at one point. I don't think I've heard it done that way before and it brought me up short. Presumably JEG inspired?

Congratulations and thank you to the packed audience again by the way. The quiet attention in the hall came across in the broadcast as a vital part of the event. It, ahem, doesn't always happen at the Proms but when it does it makes it extra special. 
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« Reply #2 on: 11:03:15, 25-08-2008 »

My youngest daughter was watching this with me.
'Daddy, that man (JEG) needs to sit down.'
'Why?'
'So the people behind him can see'.
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« Reply #3 on: 11:48:21, 25-08-2008 »

I was listening on Radio 3 and I thought it sounded wonderful in all departments.  It's rather difficult comparing broadcasts with concerts I've attended but I had the impression that this was the best Prom so far.  I look forward to the comments of people who were in the hall.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #4 on: 11:50:48, 25-08-2008 »

I'm now having to rein my imagination in on what Mark Padmore's 'new look' might be.

On one tiny point, I liked Katherine Fuge's voice too but did she do something rather odd in her final aria (Dissolve then, heart, in floods of tears)? She introduced some very strange (to me) broken phrasing on the word 'tot' at one point. I don't think I've heard it done that way before and it brought me up short. Presumably JEG inspired?
 

Head shaved, hair on the face, George.

I agree that Katherine Fuge's arias were a little different from usual. In the first one I found her phrasing rather strange and jerky, for want of a better word, but I found her completely convincing all the same, and assumed it was some new style I hadn't caught up with - more than likely!
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« Reply #5 on: 12:07:36, 25-08-2008 »

I watched this and was entranced.

I think when just listening to something it is much easier to pick up on things that aren't quite right, whether in pronunciation or any part of the performance.  When it's visual as well, I find this rather detracts to a degree because there's so much more to take in.  There were at least two breaks in transmission, but I didn't notice what George describes in his post.  I was probably at that point noting someone's hairstyle.  Grin I was listening of course but not with the same intense concentration.
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« Reply #6 on: 12:32:59, 25-08-2008 »

Once again, I opted for the TV transmission where I could fully engage in the visual and audio aspect, discounting yet another evening of technical blips.   Additionally, the subtitles add considerably to my pleasure and understanding.

I assume, Mary, that Mark Padmore's 'makeover' is a legacy from his recent performance as Peter Grimes?    Further, it isn't so long since I watched an off-air recording of his Evangelist in a staging at the London Coliseum.    It took the shape of a documentary re-enactment with the performers adding their comments as they travelled to the Coli from different parts of London.    I recall thinking that he was in danger of becoming too clinical in his approach and needed to be advised that this could be at the cost of spontaneity, or perhaps self-consciousness!

The Prom performance was a most rewarding experience.   Indeed, yesterday was an embarrassment of riches, starting with David Mellor's coverage of RVW and a celebration of Dame Janet Baker's 75th birthday; a most affecting coverage of Noel Coward's poetry on R4, the Prom; RVW - Valiant for Truth on R3, followed by the Bach Cello Suites, 1, 2 & 3, on the late night Prom.   There's going to be tears in mid-Sept when we return to the deadhand of an edited and studio introduced Evening Performance.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:59:06, 25-08-2008 »

I was there and am writing a review of this so shall be brief in my thoughts here.

I share others' reservations about Katharine Fuge's weird "sobbing" ornamentation in Zerfliesse, mein Herze, but I had a more major reservation about her in that the RAH is a big place and I was in the second row and her voice sounded TINY - d'you think anybody heard her in the Gallery?

Also thought Robin Blaze rather uneven - didn't like the sound he made in the first aria at all.

Otherwise I was very impressed, and I do love the way the SJP makes me leave uplifted and optimistic - unlike the SMP, which I adore, but which generally leaves me wanting to lock myself in a dark room and cry...
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« Reply #8 on: 15:59:06, 25-08-2008 »

I had a more major reservation about her in that the RAH is a big place and I was in the second row and her voice sounded TINY - d'you think anybody heard her in the Gallery?


So there are advantages in watching/listening at home. It sounded as if it could be a small voice, but of course she could be heard perfectly when broadcast.
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« Reply #9 on: 19:02:40, 25-08-2008 »

I thought it was gorgeous, despite the glitches on BBC4.

Mark Padmore's new look started about a year ago when the hair went....then at St Endellion recently he had a huge fishermans beard for Peter Grimes, but that went completely once it finished, he was clean shaven when I last saw him. Last evening's stubble is new, maybe he's growing the beard again, maybe he is trying out different looks, maybe he's having a mid life crisis - I dont care!! His singing is wonderful, and he looks delicious to me.

The concert has been well received  over at TOP, glad you enjoyed it too.

xx Jan xx
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« Reply #10 on: 22:03:49, 25-08-2008 »

His web site still shows him clean shaven with curly greying hair.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:08:16, 25-08-2008 »

I listened on Radio 3 and I liked it very much.

I love St John Passion and Bach in general. I thought their performance on the whole was very good. I was delighted to be able to listen to the performance.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #12 on: 22:37:22, 25-08-2008 »

Mark Padmore's new look started about a year ago when the hair went
 

I thought you'd mentioned it long before Peter Grimes, Jan. I'd forgotten, so it was quite a shock to me. Perhaps he was starting to go bald and thought this look would disguise it.
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« Reply #13 on: 08:57:09, 26-08-2008 »

This is all deeply frivolous compared to the Bach St John, but maybe Jan would like to see how Mark P (and Michael George) looked in the booklet to the Harry Christophers' Christmas Oratorio, recorded 1993

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« Reply #14 on: 09:11:20, 26-08-2008 »

Gosh  Shocked Shocked Grin
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