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Some of it sounded like 1930s film music.
That crossed my mind listening to Joie du sang des étoiles in the Nagano recording. It seemed far more fun,than I would expect a C20 classic to be. At first I though Rattle was less ebullient than Nagano in that movement, but the end was so exciting that I could not totally blame the small number who broke into brief applause. |
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« Reply #16 on: 12:11:05, 03-09-2008 » |
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The notes on the BBC site, which I was using, mentioned birdsong but I couldn't hear any at all. At one point I was wondering if I had nodded off and missed a movement!
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« Reply #17 on: 12:29:52, 03-09-2008 » |
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« Reply #18 on: 14:09:13, 03-09-2008 » |
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As someone who would rather go to the dentist than a Messiaen concert I should no doubt be posting at TOP. However; having tried (if only for 10 minutes) to come to terms with Cinq Rechants on Monday's late Prom. it does suprise be that no one, on either board, has commented on the BBC Singers' concert. I would have thought a performance of Cinq Rechants a much rarer and more interesting event for a Messiaen fan than yet another Turangalila. Reading the critics I get the impression that none of them has much knowledge or understanding of this piece. Is this an important work, was it a good performance? Any Messiaen fans out there have any comments?
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« Reply #19 on: 14:17:19, 03-09-2008 » |
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I've just looked at the programme notes, and they do indeed mention birdsong as an element in Jardin du sommeil d'amour. I missed it in the gloom of the gallery, and not having more than a peek at it between movements.
(I did not notice anyone else consulting the programme during the concert - is it off of me to wish to do so? I followed the words of the Verdi Requiem and found it very useful. I only want it to get my bearings, as it were.)
Can't help you there, Ted. Mind you, my dentist is so nice, I have no reluctance in having a dental appointment at all.
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« Reply #20 on: 14:28:30, 03-09-2008 » |
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As someone who would rather go to the dentist than a Messiaen concert I should no doubt be posting at TOP.  Cinq Rechants has never attracted me, which is why I have to admit I don't know it very well, despite being a "Messiaen fan" on the whole. I don't find Messiaen's writing for voices that interesting in general, and when that's all you have it's not a good start as far as I'm concerned. ( La Transfiguration is the only vocal piece of his I really like.) Actually there are very few twentieth-century compositions for a cappella vocal ensemble I like, and all those I can think of are by Stockhausen or Xenakis. Turangalīla is a different matter though. It's certainly an odd mixture, as Mary says, and as Messiaen's music tends to be, given that he builds forms from contrasted fragments like a mosaic rather than from an idea of "development". Having said that, one of the more rewarding aspects of Turangalīla, and there are many, is realising how unified the thematic material is - there are only three main themes really, and at least one of them appears in every movement as far as I can remember. Don B, I need the phone number of your dentist. |
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« Reply #21 on: 14:31:40, 03-09-2008 » |
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I would have thought a performance of Cinq Rechants a much rarer and more interesting event for a Messiaen fan than yet another Turangalila. For me it would be anyway. I certainly find it one of his essentials. Alas I didn't hear it so I can't say if it was good or not.  |
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« Reply #22 on: 14:40:32, 03-09-2008 » |
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I had a double celebration of Messiaen, yesterday. Rummaging, as ever, through my off-air videos in the garage, I found the Rattle/BPO, Prom 2004, of Eclairs sur l'au-dela and all the vibrant colours in the performance reminded me so often of Turangalila and that it, too, would also have been enhanced by the interactivity of a TV transmission. The other advantage of the 2004 Prom was Tommy Pearson's succinct presentation. The whole Prom, including La Mer, has now been transferred to DVD.
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« Reply #23 on: 16:58:08, 03-09-2008 » |
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Rummage around some more, and you might find an NYO Prom of the symphony itself from a few years earlier, Stanley.
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« Reply #24 on: 19:12:11, 03-09-2008 » |
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Thanks, Ron. Your comments have registered as I've been trying to recall where I subsequently heard Turangalila, apart from a RFH concert conducted by Andre Previn. Mmm. think on, as they say oop here.
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« Reply #25 on: 19:16:02, 03-09-2008 » |
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Rummage around some more, and you might find an NYO Prom of the symphony itself from a few years earlier, Stanley.
I've still got that on tape somewhere. (well I know where it is - it's in Durham) Marvellous performance IIRC. |
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« Reply #26 on: 19:16:27, 03-09-2008 » |
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August 2001, conducted by Sir Andrew Davis, says Google.
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« Reply #27 on: 19:19:27, 03-09-2008 » |
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Thank you, gentlemen. I'll carry on rummaging!
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« Reply #28 on: 20:09:13, 03-09-2008 » |
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August 2001, conducted by Sir Andrew Davis, says Google.
An even deeper rummage will also reveal a performance under Mark Elder, in 1986 - my unforgettable first live Turangalila. |
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« Reply #29 on: 22:04:45, 03-09-2008 » |
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Mark Elder, in 1986 - my unforgettable first live Turangalila.
Mine too, PW. And, in fact, my only live experience of it so far. Unforgettable it certainly was. |
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