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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #30 on: 22:20:20, 03-09-2008 »

Indeed. pw.    I've checked the Proms brochure for 1986 and the performance was on Wednesday, 6 August.   Cynthia Miller, ondes martinot and Peter Donohoe, piano.    Debussy's La Mer was the opener; same as Simon Rattle who also used it to accompany Messiaen's Eclairs sur l'au-dela; Cynthia Miller, again, with Pierre-Laurent Aimard, piano, for his performance on Sunday, 11 August 2001.      In fact, Ron and I had been referring to TV transmissions.   I think that the 1986 performance may have been R3 only.

The irony is that I have have been moving programmes and off-air videos into the garage, prior to bungalow renovations, but for the past few days I've been doing a quid pro quo routine which is filling up the space I'm trying to vacate.    'With every job that must be done, there is an element of fun...'!
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« Reply #31 on: 15:10:30, 04-09-2008 »

I've been surprised to read some comments and reviews about Turangalila over the last few days. I had assumed it was more or less part of the canon now. But clearly people have doubts of various kinds: the unevenness of the work, the 'cliched' melodies (even an 'Ice Cream Van Jingle'!!) the use of the ondes Martenot, the alleged self-indulgence of the composer, etc etc.

In my view it succeeds completely in what it sets out to do- yes it is uneven, but the languid passages, double-figure movement structure, the sudden orchestral eruptions, the massive climaxes, the obsinately memorable, 'simple' themes are all of a piece with that Messiaen was aiming for. At the risk of sounding trivial, one might ask the naysayers to 'lighten up'!  Grin

Rattle held it together very well indeed, and it was light years away from his dull, over-cautious studio recording of the 1980s. One can only hope for a live recording this time. One thing Rattle shares with Leonard Bernstein (and isn't it a pity he never recorded it?) is that he seems to perform much more effectively in concert than in the studio. I can only imagine the more sterile environment of the studio brings out an overfussiness with detail and a consequent loss of overall vision. That certainly was not the case on Tuesday night.
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #32 on: 13:22:58, 08-09-2008 »

It would be lovely to have some kind of documentation of Bernstein in that piece. I did have the vague memory of seeing that there was indeed something in some Boston SO box or other... anyone else have that memory or did I dream it?

I think it's certainly part of the canon, Stevo, but that doesn't stop people having doubts (indeed that very fact has been known to spur some people on Wink ) - plenty have doubts about, I don't know, Beethoven 9 as well. Or Mahler 8. Which for that matter makes a rather instructive comparison with Turangalila on the kitsch front, don't you think?  Cheesy

(I dearly love them both, by the way.)
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« Reply #33 on: 19:21:22, 08-09-2008 »

It would be lovely to have some kind of documentation of Bernstein in that piece. I did have the vague memory of seeing that there was indeed something in some Boston SO box or other... anyone else have that memory or did I dream it?

There is documentation of Bernstein in Turangalīla. A half-hour rehearsal was recorded/broadcast by NBC on 28 November 1949, prefaced by an amazing little speech by Koussevitzky. Bernstein rehearses bits of the first, fifth and sixth movements (part of the latter was published in the Boston Symphony box, as you say). Sadly, the concert itself wasn't broadcast (it was one of the Boston seasons where they had no deal with the broadcasters). If you'd like to know more I could email you some information about all this...
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #34 on: 21:01:52, 08-09-2008 »

Wow, it seems I didn't make it all up...  Cheesy

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