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« on: 12:36:48, 10-09-2008 » |
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I don't know what I'm going to put here. But the Mahler was one of _____ - those performances. Its impact on me was powerful as never before, all the more so because I had perforce avoided the piece since November. The last movement was particularly good, the applicable term is nightmarish. The journey home (and subsequently) was one of tears and dazed wandering.  To hear it again now doesn't dampen it in the slightest. |
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"It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set"
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« Reply #1 on: 13:34:11, 10-09-2008 » |
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Yes, it was mesmerising, Eru. I saw you draped at the feet of the maestro! You say you also 'heard' the performance, presumably from a R3 recording. However, if you don't have it on DVD and would like a copy, do send me a PM.
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #2 on: 14:36:40, 10-09-2008 » |
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I'm glad the Mahler moved you so strongly, Eru. My feelings were quite the opposite (you can read them over at TOP if you really want to) though I did find yesterday's Shostakovich very powerful.
What were your thoughts on the Turnage? To me it seemed rather attractive, programmatic to the point of being pictorial, but other than the big "slab" chords that according to the programme were a representation of the skyscrapers by the shore of Lake Michigan, I found it all a bit nebulous and nondescript.
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir
Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen,
Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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brassbandmaestro
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« Reply #3 on: 19:37:54, 10-09-2008 » |
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I felt that they were trating it as a virtuoso score. i know it is quite virtuosic anyway, but you know what i mean! The brass and the horns were not at their typically best, i thought!
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offbeat
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« Reply #4 on: 20:20:04, 10-09-2008 » |
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Watching on tv i find it very difficult to say what constitutes a good performance or not - anyway was in the mood for the mahler and thought very moving especially the serene andante - after watching the Shostakovitch/Brahms prom also was struck by the different type of conductor style - Rattle who seems to agonize over virtually every note whereas Haitink seems to be as cold as ice throughout.Whether it makes the orchestra play any differently am not sure |
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Eruanto
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« Reply #5 on: 00:48:00, 11-09-2008 » |
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I should have attended the talk on [edit] Monday to find out about the Turnage: I'm left wondering 'Remains' of what? It didn't seem particularly barren to me. Did the programme have any information to impart on this?
I've had the fortune to sing under Haitink. He speaks very very quietly in rehearsal, and then in performance "conducts beautifully". I like his style very much.
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« Reply #6 on: 01:24:19, 11-09-2008 » |
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There was an allusion in the programme to the Great Fire of 1871 - but I inferred from the tone of the rest of the article that 'Remains' might be intended more in the 'stays' sense than the 'is left over' one.
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir
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Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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brassbandmaestro
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« Reply #7 on: 07:12:11, 11-09-2008 » |
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Yes, Offbeat, now you mentioned it. He did seem detached from the orchestra somewhat but it seem to work for the Shosta more than the Mahler. For me, with Mahler, you need to be intwined with the music your playing and conducting; being at one with the composer, the conductor and the performer.
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #8 on: 11:20:08, 16-09-2008 » |
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The announcer kept talking about two or three "hammer blows" at the end, and I was waiting for some thumping percussion or perhaps even an anvil or something. When it did end, I was still waiting for more when people started applauding... I gather "hammer blows" isn't meant to be literal   |
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #9 on: 11:45:30, 16-09-2008 » |
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"Hammer blows" could not be more literal, IRF! We're talking teeny-tiny little female Chinese-American principal percussionist wielding a whacking great pavior's mallet which was almost as big as she was.
There were only two hammer blows in this performance, but each one happens in isolation at a different climax in the last movement.
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #10 on: 12:03:39, 16-09-2008 » |
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Really? I'm going to have to listen to it again  I honestly didn't register them, which is why I was surprised when it ended at the big orchestral crescendo with no hammers. |
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Ruth Elleson
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« Reply #11 on: 12:06:58, 16-09-2008 » |
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Perhaps somebody could supply you a copy of the BBC4 broadcast! For me, it's one of those symphonies for which "you have to be there" but the visuals do help. Apparently on the broadcast only one of the two hammer blows had a camera close-up. (There were three in the original score, the last of which was later excised by Mahler, and although it is sometimes performed these days with all three, I think I've only ever heard it with two.)
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Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf' entflossen,
Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir
Den Himmel beßrer Zeiten mir erschlossen,
Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür!
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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #12 on: 12:15:29, 16-09-2008 » |
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I'll check if I recorded the TV broadcast. I might have, but it was the radio recording I was listening to last night.
I started the season watching everything on BBC4 but I was plagued by signal drop-outs so I switched to radio after a few weeks!
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« Reply #13 on: 15:18:30, 16-09-2008 » |
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Yeah, thats very true, IRFQ! I was waiting for the usual booms to come out of from somewhere. But it was quite paltry!
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