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Alright, it's a fair cop Guv, I am banged to rights. I always said I don't 'do' Schoenberg. Nasty stuff I thought.
In fact, looking through my database I do have Pieces for Piano Op 33, Symphonies 1 & 2 and Verklarte Nacht - donated items and never knowingly played however. (Ha! And there were those who thought I was too disorganised to have a database!)
Anyway, catching up on CoTW I realise what I have been missing.
So simple question. Recommended cds please and I really liked the Ode to Napoleon. It sort of reminded me of Le Grande Macabre.
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #1 on: 12:45:22, 21-03-2008 » |
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If you like the Ode, you might want to try Pierrot Lunaire next - although most non-Schoenbergites find Pelleas et Melisande and (especially) Gurrelieder more accessible.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:54:11, 21-03-2008 » |
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I have found the Ode coupled with Pierrot Lunaire, Boulez and Paris Ensemble. Have put it in my basket but not clicked the 'Buy' button as yet.
CoTW is such a good programme. Shame they repeat it on the same day.
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« Reply #3 on: 13:17:00, 21-03-2008 » |
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It's been a cracking week-I suspect Tinners has furnished McLeod with a decent script this time.
Brief extract from Moses und Aaron shows how well this works dramatically, reworking of Handel brilliant and droll, so many good things from a guy who spent so much time on the ropes. I used to have an RCA LP of Cleo Laine doing Pierrot Lunaire w Nash Ens(?)-ghosts of East End about the characters, really worked I thought.
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« Reply #4 on: 13:21:02, 21-03-2008 » |
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Anna, It was thanks to a BBC mag CD that I found Verklarte Nacht, and hearing CotW in the car was the only other performance I've heard. I do like it, and, as the programme got into Gurrelieder, I was enjoying that too until the vocal contributions  |
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« Reply #5 on: 13:34:24, 21-03-2008 » |
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Anna, It was thanks to a BBC mag CD that I found Verklarte Nacht, and hearing CotW in the car was the only other performance I've heard. I do like it, and, as the programme got into Gurrelieder, I was enjoying that too until the vocal contributions John, Damning with faint praise is it Cariad? I think I will go ahead and push the 'Buy" button Did tinners really write the script?  Gosh!! |
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« Reply #6 on: 13:49:54, 21-03-2008 » |
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Brief extract from Moses und Aaron shows how well this works dramatically, reworking of Handel brilliant and droll, so many good things from a guy who spent so much time on the ropes. I used to have an RCA LP of Cleo Laine doing Pierrot Lunaire w Nash Ens(?)-ghosts of East End about the characters, really worked I thought.
Just an aside really, I went to the world premier of this in , I think 1965, and next morning on all the billboards it said 'Orgy opera hits London' ... I felt as though I had missed something here!!! A |
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« Reply #7 on: 13:58:46, 21-03-2008 » |
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UK premiere, A; first concert performance 1954, first staging '57.
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« Reply #8 on: 16:26:30, 21-03-2008 » |
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I have found the Ode coupled with Pierrot Lunaire, Boulez and Paris Ensemble. That's a really excellent disc, Anty. Herzgewächse, a short but exquisitely beautiful setting of a Maurice Maeterlinck poem, is also on the same CD. I'd also highly recommend this one, which is really cheap too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schoenberg-Concerto-String-Quartet-Orchestra/dp/B0006IGQ0O/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1206116759&sr=8-7Just an aside really, I went to the premier of this in , I think 1965
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« Reply #9 on: 16:28:25, 21-03-2008 » |
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« Reply #10 on: 18:32:58, 21-03-2008 » |
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UK premiere, A; first concert performance 1954, first staging '57.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:17:56, 21-03-2008 » |
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Anty,
More accessible Schoenberg would be Verklarte Nacht (which you already have), but also the 2 chamber symphonies (2nd is brilliant!), and Pelleas and Melissande. I find his transcriptions quite amusing, and they do give little hints of his sound world.
The string quartets are good, and the violin concerto is easy to get into.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:20:59, 21-03-2008 » |
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the violin concerto is easy to get into  I found this piece by Schoenberg very difficult to listen to when I first heard it and took me yours before I started to like it. |
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« Reply #13 on: 22:38:11, 21-03-2008 » |
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Verklarte Nacht (which you already have), but also the 2 chamber symphonies (2nd is brilliant!) I think Anty's got the chamber symphonies too, Tommo ('Symphonies 1 & 2' must mean the chamber ones, Schoenberg didn't write 'real' symphonies). I've never actually heard the Second. I've always found the piano music both attractive and compelling, but then I'm peculiar. |
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« Reply #14 on: 22:47:37, 21-03-2008 » |
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I've never actually heard the Second.
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