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thompson1780
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« Reply #15 on: 17:46:46, 28-03-2007 »
Bravo Tony,

Simplicity is best.

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« Reply #16 on: 17:57:14, 28-03-2007 »
I rather liked the "21st century music" board. I thought it made an interesting and optimistic statement. Trouble is nobody can think of anything to post on it. Maybe an effort should be made...
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« Reply #17 on: 18:07:06, 28-03-2007 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 17:57:14, 28-03-2007
I rather liked the "21st century music" board. I thought it made an interesting and optimistic statement. Trouble is nobody can think of anything to post on it. Maybe an effort should be made...

Well, it is reasonably early days yet (both for the thread and the century)! But you're right, we should try harder....

Quote from: richard barrett on 18:00:02, 28-03-2007
Last week I wrote a short article about the composer Kees Tazelaar which began:

"I wonder how long it will take for us to have some concrete idea of what we might mean by the term “21st century music”. It’s a term which still seems somehow alien – we know it must exist, but we don’t yet have a mental image of it. One reason for this perhaps is that much of the music of the commencement de siècle has a retrospective quality, content to situate itself within a chosen tradition."

What do we think about this?

Centuries (or decades) are thoroughly cultural constructions, of course, but those very constructions can engender a certain self-consciousness (composers feeling they are writing fin-de-siècle music and so on). It struck me how a combination of retro-mania and also the privileging of style (or 'styles') over individualism was a major factor in both classical and popular worlds. All lent spurious justification by lots of accompanying rhetoric about post-modernism, irony, and so on and so forth. If there is a way forward for 21st century music, I believe it will come from some sort of critical engagement with this recent tradition that somehow manages to resist becoming subsumed within it, if that is possible.

The high self-consciousness on the part of composers (and performers) about their own place within a certain 'tradition' does seem a highly constraining factor.
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« Reply #18 on: 18:12:43, 28-03-2007 »
Quote from: Andy D on 16:58:50, 28-03-2007
I can't see any reason to divide 20th from 21st century.

I think that 'distinction' was chosen because we wanted a focal point for music being composed now, whether it was conventional or unconventional. The discussions on unconventional composition seem to prefer the 'new' music label.

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you become very aware of what is "contemporary" (the word I prefer to use) and what isn't, when you have to apply to the Arts Council for funding for a "contemporary" concert.

So, should WE equate the word 'contemporary' with 'new' and with 'unconventional composition' ?   Smiley

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That's not to say that it's easy to draw a dividing line or even desirable for any other reason.

Some people (outside music-making) ARE drawing a dividing line; no matter how we try and blend in our discussions here there is in the end a distinction that we can't ignore and maybe have to accept?

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this is only a forum and I don't think it matters a great deal whether you start a discussion about Schoenberg, for example, under contemporary or classical.

Schoenberg covers so much though, we could dicuss him for many reasons. The only work I have by him is Verklarte Nacht, which I've found very listenable, and which he started in 1899, it's 'romantic' and to me a work with beauty which I have not found in anything else by him. Not that I always seek beauty of course.


Yes, we're only a forum, but some posters like myself have knowledge gaps which this forum has helped rectify, and those knowledge gaps can be worked on if we can pick out the wanting areas from topics in a structured forum? Tommo wants the simplistic structure but I would get lost there.  Undecided


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« Reply #19 on: 20:37:17, 28-03-2007 »
Quote from: John W on 18:12:43, 28-03-2007
I think that 'distinction' was chosen because we wanted a focal point for music being composed now, whether it was conventional or unconventional. The discussions on unconventional composition seem to prefer the 'new' music label.
in which case why not have "Contemporary Music" and "New Music"?

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So, should WE equate the word 'contemporary' with 'new' and with 'unconventional composition' ?   Smiley
No, see above plus contemporary can be very conventional.

Quote from: John W on 18:12:43, 28-03-2007
Schoenberg covers so much though, we could dicuss him for many reasons. The only work I have by him is Verklarte Nacht, which I've found very listenable, and which he started in 1899, it's 'romantic' and to me a work with beauty which I have not found in anything else by him. Not that I always seek beauty of course.
I chose Schoenberg because he is far too modern or contemporary or unconventional for the majority of concert goers/music lovers yet, as you point out, some of his music is 19th century (just) - so don't try to include him in a contemporary concert (although people do, of course). Where to programme his (post-romantic) music is possibly more of a problem than with nearly all other composers.

Quote from: John W on 18:12:43, 28-03-2007
Yes, we're only a forum, but some posters like myself have knowledge gaps which this forum has helped rectify, and those knowledge gaps can be worked on if we can pick out the wanting areas from topics in a structured forum? Tommo wants the simplistic structure but I would get lost there.  Undecided

I vote for the current structure, possibly with a bit of tweaking. I prefer that to a general CMo3 board because there are some areas that I'm just not interested in reading posts, let alone writing something myself.

If people want to get an overview of all discussions on the forum and to see what's currently/recently been posted, they can look at the last 100 posts by clicking on the icon to the left of the latest 5 posts or use this link http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?action=recent which I have on my browser's home page - alternatively save it in your bookmarks/favorites(sic).
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« Reply #20 on: 22:23:59, 28-03-2007 »
I vote for pretty much the status quo, with a little tweak every now and again if topics look like getting lost.
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« Reply #21 on: 10:17:45, 29-03-2007 »
I'm tempted to align myself with those who favour just occassional tweaking of the structure rather than mass change with the latest musical genre definitions installed.

This thread has led to some activity in a few underused topics and spawned more outpouring of comment on the modern/new/contemporary music so I'll let that run  Wink

Please keep the suggestions coming in!

Meanwhile I've moved the lonely Music Matters thread and replaced that board with Classical Collection in preparation for next week's start of the new programme (replacing CD Masters) and I've kicked off the discussion.

http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?board=39.0


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« Reply #22 on: 18:46:13, 29-03-2007 »
Can I request a teeny-weeny tweak pretty please with a cherry on top?
Could you replace 'PC Related - Music' with 'Computer Related - Music'?
My little Mac's been getting an inferiority complex every time it sees that!
Thanks!
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« Reply #23 on: 19:20:04, 29-03-2007 »
Done

though I'm not sure where the hyphen should be, maybe a short one and a long one
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« Reply #24 on: 12:36:03, 07-04-2007 »
Perhaps we could have a Proms section when the prospectus is published on April 27.
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« Reply #25 on: 13:32:18, 07-04-2007 »
Yes definitely!!

Now, shall I put it up real soon so that people can start an expectant thread to speculate about the programme, guessing centenaries celebrated etc???
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« Reply #26 on: 14:17:18, 10-04-2007 »
There is a long-standing (no pun intended) forum at http://www.voy.com/15179/ (although it doesn't seem to be up at time of posting) which has plenty of sepcualtion and rumours in it.  It is associated with the Unofficial Promenader's Homepage, which is sadly somewhat out-of-date.
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« Reply #27 on: 16:32:29, 10-04-2007 »
Well, with just over two weeks before we get the proms prospectus I thought we could start discussing what we'd like from this year's proms, so there's a new board/topic high up on the homepage  Smiley
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