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Author Topic: Forms of theatre and playwrights neglected in Britain  (Read 730 times)
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« on: 19:58:21, 08-09-2008 »

I spent an evening yesterday socialising (talking with, but mainly listening to) a group of recent graduates in theatre directing - mostly from Middlesex University, but some of them had studied or taught in other places too. I was the only British person there.

The conversation turned to what sorts of play texts were easily accessible in the various college and university libraries they'd used, and several of them found it either astonishing or ridiculous that certain playwrights they thought of as fairly central - Peter Handke, Heiner Müller, Enzo Cormann, Edward Bond, and Bernard-Marie Koltès - had been under-represented or in some cases completely absent.

I'm particularly interested to know what opinions the theatrically knowledgeable members of this board have of any of the above names, and who else they might see as working in a related tradition (either in Britain or abroad).

And on a related subject, does anyone have off-air broadcasts of any works by the above? Several of them are little more than names to me, although I have recently been reading scripts and trying to fill in some of the gaps in my awareness of contemporary drama.
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« Reply #1 on: 21:02:15, 08-09-2008 »

Edward Bond is a name I run across fairly frequently. He provided a text for Henze's opera We come to the River and The English Cat. I always thought his best-known work is Saved. Some rather gruesome stuff, a capitalist wasteland born out-of-wedlock and all that.

If he's not performed in England, then where is he actually performed?  Huh

Peter Handke and Heiner Müller are bread and butter, respectively, in Germany. But for me Handke is an author first and a playwright second. And H. Müller I only know by association with Wolfie Rihm's Hamletmaschine.
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« Reply #2 on: 21:48:28, 08-09-2008 »

I know Bond's work quite well, and its author very slightly. Saved was the play which first brought his work to public attention in 1965, although he went on to (what I think are) much better things, like Early Morning (1967), Lear (1971) and The Woman (1978) down to more recent work like The Crime of the 21st Century (2000). Since the mid-1980s his work has been more often performed on the continent, I think more in France than elsewhere although the Berliner Ensemble has done some of his plays. For me there's no more important living playwright and I think his ideas on theatre are just as essential.
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« Reply #3 on: 22:07:16, 08-09-2008 »

Where do you start?  English theatre is so astonishingly parochial that even those few directors like Hytner prepared to encourage new work are swimming against an implacable tide Sad

Bond's neglect is near to criminal Sad

Bill Neskovky, Kylie Tennant; Jean Dutourd; Jean Anouilh; Tankred Dorst; Leopold Ahlsen; Brian Friel; Diego Fabbri; Witold Gombrowicz; Isaak Babel; these are just a few mainstream names.   You'll be lucky to find even O'Casey or Synge staged in Britain Sad   Then try to find ANYTHING written by a woman (other than Carol Churchill) on the English stage?   In her lifetime as now, Aphra Behn is utterly outcast Sad

As for forms of theatre - if you ever fancy an online punchup, try advocating any kind of "devised work" on Comment Is Free on the Grauniad site.  The idea that anything which doesn't have an identifiable author (whose name and address could be obtained) might be any good brings out a red mist in the Grauniad faithful Sad   Still stuck in that English malaise that plays are printed books, which are sometimes read in public by actors Sad
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« Reply #4 on: 22:50:35, 08-09-2008 »

I got the name of one the playwrights wrong: it's Koltès, not Cortes or Cortez. Now edited in my original post. I'm afraid I'd never heard of him.
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« Reply #5 on: 23:02:25, 08-09-2008 »

This is a huge subject, 'tisnow, and not easily answered easily even at great length. The most important point is that there's not just one British theatre (indeed, Scottish theatre is a recognisably different genre from anything South of the Border) but the story of what there is - what there is left - makes the story of Classical Music in Britain almost happy by comparison. The market for serious theatre is tiny: the onslaught of commercial musicals (many of them ersatz) has all but crowded out everything else. The starvation of funding for the Rep. companies over the last thirty years or so has seen all but a tiny percentage of them disappear: with them has gone the habit of attending theatre as a participatory event. Now it's the big subsidised companies who should be carrying the torch, but most of their repertoire is classical. Modern experimental drama is mainly in the hands of small independent companies, and generally restricted to places where a large enough audience can be scraped together to make it financially viable, or prestige festivals.

Mention of Edward Bond's Lear crops up on another thread (the Donald Wolfit thread): I was lucky enough to see this in 1971 at the Royal Court, and Harald Mueller's Big Wolf in the same house a year later. Both were strong plays which made a huge impact: serious thought provoking drama that pulled no punches. This was the era of the politically aware TV play, too: whether audiences became tired of them and the genre faded, or the genre was allowed to die so that the audience for it dissipated is hard to say. Bond found that his work was more appreciated on the continent and made the move there; mainstream British theatre became increasingly less daring as the remaining audiences became more middle class.

In answer to Reiner; Liz Lochead's work is performed regularly in Scotland, and Timberlake Wertenbaker (the Royal Court's house dramatist in the mid 80s) was a pretty common fixture until recently, and I'm sure I can come up with some more, soon. Dundee Rep. (one of the last full-time resident companies in Britain) last year included fabulous productions of Peer Gynt (an NToS co-production), Romeo and Juliet, Happy Days and Cocteau's Les Parents Terribles as well as more populist fare: this season kicks off with Mother Courage, which I'll be catching on Friday.

Until quite recently, R3 was a major source of good World Drama of every period: now, sadly, it's as much a shadow of its former self for drama as it is for music. I have cases of cassettes of Sunday Plays from the 70s onwards: like much of the rest of my archive material, it's still in storage and will need major excavation, but there are most certainly treasures within.
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« Reply #6 on: 23:17:11, 08-09-2008 »

but the story of what there is - what there is left - makes the story of Classical Music in Britain almost happy by comparison. The market for serious theatre is tiny: the onslaught of commercial musicals (many of them ersatz) has all but crowded out everything else.

Every last sad word of it the bitter truth Sad   Good to hear Liz Lochead is performed frequently - a positive sign Smiley

I'm slated to do Terry Johnson's INSIGNIFICANCE (a Royal Court commission in the 1980s) in December - into rehearsals from later this month, they are all off learning it at the moment Smiley   In English!!  Smiley   (I've got native Americans for The Ballplayer and The Senator - hehehe, he's a Democrat activist in real life - Russians for The Professor and The Actress.   Poor girl, that huge description of the Theory Of Relativity... in a foreign language!  But y'know, she's the spitting image, she could be her sister, y'know that...?)
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« Reply #7 on: 00:02:02, 09-09-2008 »

In English!!  Smiley

Shouldn't you be doing it in the language of the audience rather than leave yourself open to charges of narcissistic posturing?  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: 00:25:26, 09-09-2008 »

In English!!  Smiley

Shouldn't you be doing it in the language of the audience rather than leave yourself open to charges of narcissistic posturing?  Cheesy

It's an experiment to see if there are enough English-speakers here to support some regular performances. Reputedly some 300,000 native English-speakers can be found in this city - I only need 160 of them per night Smiley  Believe me, I can posture narcistically in any language of your choice, you shoulda seen the BASTIEN & BASTIENNE I did Wink  If Moscow can have a Polish theatre, a Yiddish theatre, a Belorussian theatre and a Ukrainian theatre...  an English theatre ought to be a cinch,  ne pravda? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: 00:27:25, 09-09-2008 »

I can posture narcistically in any language of your choice
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« Reply #10 on: 00:28:49, 09-09-2008 »

Hmm, not sure that gets you off the hook, Reiner   Wink
How many French-speakers are there in New York for Mr. Wainwright's opera, I wonder...  Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: 00:30:41, 09-09-2008 »

How many French-speakers are there in New York for Mr. Wainwright's opera, I wonder...  Tongue

And how many Quebecois speakers, more's the point?  Roll Eyes   Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: 01:14:20, 09-09-2008 »

Britain on the whole isn't very good on physical theatre, which tends to be a continental tradition. But then the majority of British drama from almost any era doesn't particularly lend itself to that sort of treatment, so the situation is mutually perpetuated: our drama has almost always honoured the word as its most important constituent. Added to which most performers coming out of stage schools now are prepared for musical theatre and the screen as much as (if not more than) for the straight stage: only the top academies are likely to be concentrating on the skills needed for a range of serious drama.

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« Reply #13 on: 01:59:50, 09-09-2008 »

Peter Handke, Heiner Müller, Enzo Cormann, Edward Bond, and Bernard-Marie Koltès

British theatre, and certainly London theatre, is notorious for almost completely ignoring work from continental Europe (new writing from the US is a different story and is better represented). And Edward Bond, the one English name on the list is famous, if famous at all, for being more widely performed on continental Europe than here. He is talked about a lot (and I'm pretty staggered he wasn't represented in a university library) but still only very rarely performed.

Of the names on t-i-n's list I confess that I've never heard of Enzo Cormann or Bernard-Marie Koltès before. Heiner Müller is a name talked about but I haven't seen or known about anything of his being staged in London (which doesn't mean it hasn't, of course). And in forty years or so of theatre-going I've only managed to see a handful of things by Edward Bond including We Come to the River, and just one by Peter Handke. And that's it.
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« Reply #14 on: 08:40:42, 09-09-2008 »

How many French-speakers are there in New York for Mr. Wainwright's opera, I wonder...  Tongue

And how many Quebecois speakers, more's the point?  Roll Eyes   Cheesy
Hm. There's not that much difference. More like Dutch and Flemish (OK, a bit more than that) than Dutch and German...

I've nattered away quite happily with a Canadian composer at a party. Well not completely happily but the problem wasn't that he was speaking Québécois, it was that he was a complete twit. Cheesy
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