eruanto
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« on: 18:08:25, 10-02-2007 » |
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Dear all, I know very well that this is extreemly unlikely, but I'm looking to acquire a recording of a performance of Mahler's 3rd Symphony at the Proms 2002. Performers included: The Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Trinity Boys Choir; conductor was Eliahu Inbal. I was fortunate enough to be on stage at this memorable occasion (as part of Trinity BC), and a recording was made at home. I have just discovered this again from piles of dust, and now having the score, it turns out a significant number of bars are missing Any assistance would be greatly appreciated
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #1 on: 19:30:30, 23-02-2007 » |
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Hello, Eruanto The "extremely unlikely" is now most probable as I, eventually, found a recording on DAT, rather than rummaging a set of 2002 minidiscs!
Double checking. We're talking about Prom 52 on Wed, 28 August 2002, when Eliahu Inbal replaced the designated conductor Riccardo Chailly.
You must have felt very privileged to be a participant and, as always, the CGB orchestra provided a most vivid performance.
Anyhow, to cut to the chase, I'd be very happy to do a transfer for you with my compliments. OPTIONS Do you have minidisc facilities? I ask this because I can do an inclusive transfer on MD whereas a CD-R transfer will have to be split. probably after the opening "summer marches on" movement. I'm content, either way. Additionally, there is likely to be a 45 minute space gap. Have a good think and let me have your suggestions as you may as well get full value. Use my e-mail outlet.
All good wishes, Stanley
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #2 on: 00:38:37, 24-02-2007 » |
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Hi, Jon. Your message has reached me and, as a newcomer to these boards, it looks as though we shall have to go one step at a time! Pragmatism, I think.
CD-R, no problem whatsoever. I estimate a gap after a full recording of Mahler 3 which usually runs to around 1 hr and 40 mins, in toto. A single CD runs to 79+ mins. A degree of sensibility means that I need to transfer so that the changeover to Disc 2 will come at the end of a movement and a digital transfer requires me to complete a track as I could only continue, say, in the middle of a track, using analogue rather than digital sources. Don't let me kid you. My technical proficiency JUST passes muster.
Let us assume that the first movement of Mahler 3 takes 35-40 mins (I'll time it tomorrow) On a 79 minute CD this would leave a gap of approx 40 mins. Therefore, I would START any recording with, for instance, a 40 minute supplementary work. I would then complete CD1 with the first movement of Mahler 3 until the end of the first movement. The turnover to CD 2 would be "neat" and this would leave the remaining 60 mins uninterrupted to the conclusion. Does this now make sense to you? Regardless, you will still get the complete symphony, stretched over 2 CD's with sufficient room for an additional work to start CD1. I shall also contact another very experienced poster on this board, over the weekend, to see how we can make contact. Remember, Jon, we are all "refugees" from another place and know each other quite well. If you are interested go to the R3 Discussion Board and seek the thread which says Thank you, Michael, posted by Ron Dough. On this thread, I renewed my acquaintances in the past few days.
I was quite amused to see the Trinity Boys Choir listed as participants as, during my working years, in London, it was ALWAYS the Southend Boys Choir at several Mahler 3's I attended.
In the meantime, I'll seek advice on the best means of contact. We managed it on the BBC Boards with a degree of persistence. I'm sure there will be a simple solution here. I'm sure that this particular recording is rather special to you.
All good wishes, Stanley
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eruanto
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« Reply #3 on: 14:43:29, 24-02-2007 » |
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thanks for that clarification!! so i need to get looking for a 40 minute work! Unbelievably the Mahler was TBC's first performance at the Proms - well if not the first then certainly for a long time. o that performance is irreplaceable for me personally - it marked my penultimate appearance as a treble! (the final one was Mendelssohn's Elijah two days later) It was a close-run thing for my voice! Also i doubt whether any performance could have any more...er... spontaneity (!) about it; the first time my fellow singers and i saw Eliahu Inbal was the moment when he came on stage, took his bow and started the first movement! And from the ensemble problems that the orchestra occasionally suffered, it sounded as though they were in the same boat! As if things could get any worse, I found that i was sitting directly behind the first set of timpani for the duration! ARRGH!
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« Reply #4 on: 16:58:21, 24-02-2007 » |
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Hi, Eruanto. I did wonder, late last night before posting, whether my technical gobbledegook would have a degree of clarity but you seem to have got it in one. There will be a leeway of some 40-45 mins so I await your suggestions.
You've also managed to crack the system by sending me a private message before I'd used a degree of grey matter on this score. The next stage is to let me have your e-mail address, or home/uni/college address where I can send a jiffy bag with the recordings. A private message, of course. The options are yours.
In the meantime, my computer is behaving erratically and I'll make arrangements for a replacement, next week. If it goes on-the-blink, before replacement, I've just asked a regular poster to keep you informed as I could be off-air for 8-10 days. Hopefully, there will be a smooth transition.
Fascinated by your reminisence of the Proms performance. I used to wonder how the "kids" managed to sit so still until their relatively late entrance. Worth remembering that Bruno Walter; a youth of 18 in 1894; met Mahler (then 34) when he went to Hamburg to try for the post of repetiteur at the Opera there. Later, Mahler applied himself to his 3rd Symphony in the village of Steinbach-am-Attersee in the Salzburg Alps,and subsequently, when Walter turned up there and stared in wonder at the magnificent mountain scenery, Mahler retorted, "You needn't stand staring at that - I've already composed it all!"
Bws, Stanley
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tonybob
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« Reply #5 on: 08:02:03, 25-02-2007 » |
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tanley,
you could always upload the mahler 3 to rapidshare and let eruanto upload it from there?
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opilec
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« Reply #6 on: 08:32:20, 25-02-2007 » |
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/moves slowly back into the shadows...
Give my regards to Hank and the rest of the band ...
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« Reply #7 on: 12:23:11, 25-02-2007 » |
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badumTISHHH!
/here all week, ladies and gentlemen...
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sososo s & i.
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #8 on: 14:50:59, 25-02-2007 » |
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# 6 Thanks, tonybob. You fill me with awe and wonder at such a proposal as downloading! A hearty chortle, nevertheless.
Perhaps with my replacement computer I may say, quoting Lady M (the Scottish play): "That which made them drunk hath made me bold: What has quench'd them hath given me fire." Distance between computer and recording equipment also has to be broached. However, I have a most reliable technical guru on these boards who make take a deep breath and say, "Here we go again, Stanley........"
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« Reply #9 on: 11:32:04, 26-02-2007 » |
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Mornin' Eruanto! Messages received. A case of two steps forward and one back. My Parry collection ends at "I Was Glad" and I can't trace exotica such as the Bruckner piano sonatas. We do live and learn.
Anyhow, I've transferred CD 2 to CD-R: it starts with the orchestral tuning at the end of Part 1 and continues until the quite glorious finale. Your entrance is track 8 as the ding-dongs are delivered with a resonating clarity.
We now need an aperitif to start CD1. A bit of a fizz? Do you know Beecham's arrangement of Handel's Love in Bath suite? Positively life enhancing but now needs the attention of a young music student and a new arrangement. "Tommy" recorded it in 1960 with his Royal Phil Orch. A most engaging work which I commend to you.
Uploading/downloading? Yes, it is on my learning curve but you must understand that I belong to a generation where proficiency with an Imperial typewriter was a real skill: Mafeking had JUST been relieved, for God's sake!
For now, Stanley
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eruanto
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« Reply #10 on: 18:22:49, 26-02-2007 » |
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regrettably i have never encountered the beecham/handel - from cd reviews it seems a suitably off-the-wall choice! i see it only lasts 11 minutes though - how about lieder eines fahrenden gesellen as well? but if you have any more commendations to make then by all means do - without a shred of a doubt you will know far far more music than me! to be honest when i first set eyes on the vocal score for movement five i thought the whole bimm-bamm business more than a bit pathetic - but then i didn't know what wonders the rest of the piece contained! the follies of youth...
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« Reply #11 on: 22:59:39, 26-02-2007 » |
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# 10 Onwards & upwards. Surprised to learn that the Handel "Love in Bath" suite ran more than 50 mins; not the 11 mins of your reference book!
Took your tip and browsed through my Mahler collection. Timing again a prime issue but the 5 Ruckert lieder & Eines fahrenden Gesellen BOTH fit neatly into the available space. Janet Baker and Glorious John B with Halle & Philharmonia respectively. Mind blowing, Jon. They are included at the start of CD 1 which concludes with the end of 1st movement of Mahler 3 and the orchestra tuning-up. Tuning-up continues on CD 2 when the Symphony continues to its conclusion, some 62 mins later. Have just looked at the CD-R fascia and the recording is finalizing as I write. Mission complete! I'll do the appropriate set of notes tomorrow. Am also recording the Pinter double bill on MORE 4 on DVD and feeling a bit schizophrenic as I leap for the pause button before the commercial breaks.
Just testing the playback and Dame Janet is one of the finest Mahler interpreters on record; shining with total commitment as she did in the concert hall. Fortunately, many of her recordings are on disc, particularly her Angel in "Gerontius" with Barbirolli/Halle.
I now await your details and don't care whether it is c/o Salvation Army, S****horpe, providing the recordings can reach you there.
Bws, Stanley
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« Reply #12 on: 11:05:35, 27-02-2007 » |
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~ M 11 Thanks, JF! Mafeking HAS been relieved. Postal dhow will be down the Nile in a few days time.
Gordon's successor. Stanley can now go looking for Livingstone!
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« Reply #13 on: 14:17:19, 28-02-2007 » |
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« Reply #14 on: 17:25:52, 01-03-2007 » |
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Hi eruanto! Mission complete,as I posted the CD set, earlier today. Please accept it with my compliments as the compilation has been most enjoyable; fully aware of the how the importance of participation in the performance must have been for you. As you say, the memory of singing as a treble-alto is now fading but I'm sure that the impact of the Royal Albert Hall's ambience will never be forgotten. Have you yet acquired the lower resonance to sing "Lord God of Israel, Isaac & Abraham..." in "Elijah" with confidence?!!!
You kindly suggest that I know more about music than you. In terms of longevity and experience, yes, but my maxim has always been that the more I learn, the less I know.
I wish you much success in your salad days, Jon, and do use them well. Stanley.
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