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« Reply #30 on: 10:40:54, 11-09-2007 » |
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This is all strangely reassuring, even though the sense of worry I feel when I'm not 100% certain of the pitches I'm hearing is not going to go away...
Sometimes when I hear piano music I think "that just has to be a black key" - any other pianists experience that?
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« Reply #31 on: 10:44:22, 11-09-2007 » |
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Cheers Ros, in fact one of these 4 or 5 people with
a) so-called perfect tempo who and
b) I know
is also a pianist
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« Reply #32 on: 11:05:39, 11-09-2007 » |
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Cheers Ros, in fact one of these 4 or 5 people with
a) so-called perfect tempo who and
Able to tell an allegro from an adagio; as distinct from perfect rhythm, the lucky effected of which can, hearing any single note in isolation, tell you if it is a double-dotted semiquaver or a breve-and-a-bit. (sorry) |
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« Reply #33 on: 12:55:31, 11-09-2007 » |
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For me,
C is from the prelude in C of WTC I
C# is indelibly associated with Faure's piano Variations in c# minor.
D is the pedal in movement 3 of Brahms' German Requiem (at Der gerechten Seelen sind in Gottes Hand)
Eb is loud.
E is from the final movement of Mozart's A-minor piano sonata
F is Ravel's String Quartet
F# is the prelude in f# minor from WTC II, but also Chopin op.10/6
G is an open string
Ab is also WTC, but a fugue (can't remember which book) -- Prout said "Put me in my little bed", not "I spent the night in a wayside inn and could barely sleep a moment for the fleas"
A is an open string, often confused with G (!)
Bb is the "O Clara" moment from Davidsbündlertänze -- dance #16, b-section
B is also from Davidsbündlertänze, the 11th Dance OR the 1st or the last.
And I don't have perfect pitch, just occasionally insightful pitch.
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« Reply #34 on: 13:14:55, 11-09-2007 » |
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I'm getting a sense of a spectrum/ continuum of pitch memory rather than a simple "yes, I've got perfect pitch" v "no, I haven't"
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« Reply #35 on: 14:43:02, 11-09-2007 » |
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I always remember tempo = 100 by humming Britney Spears' "One More Time".
Tempo 90 is John Lennon's "Imagine" -not to be confused with the Beatles
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« Reply #36 on: 14:49:01, 11-09-2007 » |
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crotchet = 88 is a gawky little twelve-note piece I wrote at the age of about 14. crotchet = 60 / quaver = 120 is 'One potater two potater'. You're right about 'One more time', dc! I think I'm going to adopt that as a new standard.  |
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« Reply #37 on: 21:02:49, 11-09-2007 » |
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I'm getting a sense of a spectrum/ continuum of pitch memory rather than a simple "yes, I've got perfect pitch" v "no, I haven't"
How about this then: Yes, I've got perfect pitch. as least in terms of hearing. in terms of producing a given pitch on command I am as hopeless as the next person, which is to say that I have to imagine myself playing the key on a piano and mentally "hearing" the pitch that comes out, which I can then reproduce. Maybe that's not as hopeless as the next person. |
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« Reply #38 on: 00:11:00, 12-09-2007 » |
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Eb is loud.
And I don't have perfect pitch, just occasionally insightful pitch.
Ooh, I do approve of both of those. NB (slightly camply) |
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« Reply #39 on: 09:59:22, 17-09-2007 » |
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Sorry to add a bit of a downer on this thread, but I often get bothered when people consider it important to inform me that they have "perfect pitch" - they're often trying to impress. Over the years I've found a surprising number (of teenagers) who claim it but can't, for example, identify musical intervals. It's one thing to be able to recognise a pitch, it's quite another to be able to use that ability.
On tempo memory/ability, apparently a good example was Phil Martell, who used to conduct the music for Hammer horror films. Told that the next cue should last, say, 27 seconds, he was able to ensure that it did just that.
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« Reply #40 on: 11:09:27, 17-09-2007 » |
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Rutter's setting of 'It was a lover and his lass' goes at crotchet=112. I have sung this many many times over the last thirty years and, as a result can now set this speed accurately (within 2 bpm) without a metronome. I dare say I could train myself to set any desired speed if the need arose, and I rather think that anybody else could too. So far as I know, however, one cannot acquire absolute pitch in this way.
'Placing' a note before sounding it (which singers as well as brass players need) would in most cases rely on hearing what's going on around you, or so I would have thought.
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Does anybody else use particular pieces to recall pitches? For me an A is the big band arrangement of MacArthur Park, and Bb the start of Star Wars. Ignoring blaring trumpets, Eb is the Cellos in Eroica. I do this, too. The opening of Mahler 5 for C sharp is one that comes to mind. Open strings are all too familiar. |
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« Reply #42 on: 14:50:20, 19-09-2007 » |
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I for a time was able to roughly orient myself using the fairground theme bit from the start of the new charlie and the chocolate factory movie. It was either a d an a or a c I think...I can't remember...in any event, I would usually either humm it correctly or a fifth high when I tried.
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« Reply #43 on: 20:38:25, 19-09-2007 » |
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Sorry to add a bit of a downer on this thread, but I often get bothered when people consider it important to inform me that they have "perfect pitch" - they're often trying to impress.
I once had a performance (it was a parish church choir) wrecked by the rector who insisted that he had perfect pitch and started us off nearly a fourth too high. Despite the fact that I thought it was wrong, he insisted that it was correct so we started... it was awful. I had to stop and get a fresh pitch from the piano. But he still tried to give me a pitch for the next piece... Clergy. Can't trust em. Words by which to live. |
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« Reply #44 on: 11:57:44, 21-09-2007 » |
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I had meant to start the betting on when the first mention of Bach's B-flat Minor Mass would emerge. Too late - some "wag"  has recently done so on the perfect pitch thread at TOP. |
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