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Author Topic: Ba Cissoko in Session  (Read 341 times)
waterheartsong
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« on: 23:34:19, 20-03-2007 »

Well Andy said he was tired this week and to be honest it sounded like a tired show. Lots of things about it were OK but not more.
 
Ba Cissoko in session only really hit his stride with the last number 'Dandala' which was to be fair fantastic.
 
'Bull Doze Blues' by Henry Thomas was great and shame on Canned Heat for pinching his song without giving due credit.
 
Kris Drever has made a nice opening CD and 'Braw sailing on the sea' is a very fine sample from it.
 
The final track 'Tomatito' by Papa Noel was lovely.
 
So there were highlights.....but come on Andy......you can do better than this.
 
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« Reply #1 on: 14:38:43, 21-03-2007 »

Canned Heat are hardly alone in not giving proper composing rights to songs. The Stones ripping off the Staple Singers for The Last time and Howling Wolf for Little Red Rooster, Andy's pal Robert Plant and Led Zep ripping off everyone etc. I wonder how much of that was down to management and record companies though since the Stones later gave a lot of help to Wolf and most of the white blues enthusiasts always went out of their way to name check their influences in any interviews they gave.

Also, the authorship of blues songs was often a cause of much dispute between blues musicians themselves. Did those songs all come out of Robert Johnson's head or did he hear at least some of them from an older unknown musician who never happened to cross the path of a pioneering recording engineer on a field trip ? Some of the most famous of the fifties Chicago bluesmen claimed writing credits on record for long established blues standards that originated in the delta. 
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waterheartsong
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« Reply #2 on: 17:46:23, 21-03-2007 »

Hi Bobby!

This raises an interesting question about what can and cannot be considered intellectual property. Obviously there are only so many notes and certain patterns are bound to be a repetition of earlier work which however do not constitute an infringement of copyright. Such things could be said to be in the public domain. I would imagine that many early delta bluesmen drew aspects of this type of material but put their own definitive and unique stamp on it, as I believe must have been the case with Robert Johnson.

Perhaps the most famous instance of breach of copyright was the 'My Sweet Lord'/ 'He's So Fine' court case where George Harrison was accused of plagiarism of the Chiffons earlier hit. For those who are interested and have an hour or so to spare, see the following link:

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

An interesting question might be which is the better song; 'My Sweet Lord' or 'He's So Fine'?

So thank you Bobby for your fascinating contribution.

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BobbyZ
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« Reply #3 on: 19:12:09, 21-03-2007 »

whs

Chuck Berry managed to get damages from the Beach Boys for ripping off Sweet Little Sixteen in Surfing USA. Can't remember if it went to court or if they settled beforehand. Now musically, Sweet Little Sixteen is a pretty basic twelve bar riff but at the same time the link with Surfing USA is immediately obvious. Muddy Waters and Bo Diddley also fell out over I'm a Man / Mannish Boy, where the only difference seemed to be in tempo. That never went to court though, probably sorted by the Chess brothers who they both recorded for.
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« Reply #4 on: 20:22:25, 21-03-2007 »

What about Rollin' & Tumblin' which Andy played on 1/10/06 (took me a little while to find that) off Bob Dylan's Modern Times album and he said that Dylan claims to have written it!

What?!
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BobbyZ
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« Reply #5 on: 20:35:22, 21-03-2007 »

Haven't got the Dylan album but if I remember correctly, the first verse was the usual "rollin' all night long" but then Dylan wrote umpteen subsequent verses that are indisputably his own. So another grey area there I guess. Not sure who to credit Rollin' and Tumblin' to anyway, it's normally given to Muddy but I think earlier versions can be found. I know a bit about early blues but won't claim expert status !
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