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« Reply #1455 on: 19:26:44, 23-09-2007 » |
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Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #1456 on: 19:38:09, 23-09-2007 » |
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I've found plenty too. I think my previous search would have been for fluttertongue moments...
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« Reply #1457 on: 19:39:44, 23-09-2007 » |
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There are still a couple of these dirt cheap (€5) at Saturn. I'd be pleased to pick them up for interested Members.
mememememeememeemememeemememeemeemeeemmmmmm spinning:  Assorted Feldman on Mode by the Barton Workshop, including a surprisingly well-crafted Journey to the End of Night from the 23-year-old Morty that sounds nothing like familiar Feldman but is none the worse for that, and a beautifully barely-there Between Categories. The rest ( Intervals, Three Clarinets, Cello, and Piano, Four Songs to e. e. cummings, Four Instruments, and The O'Hara Songs have yet to be Spun. |
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« Reply #1458 on: 19:52:57, 23-09-2007 » |
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Yep, sorry, didn't have my Mahler library with me in a hotel in Warsaw.  Now I've worked it out. It wasn't that I'd searched high and low for semibreve tremolos of any description (OK, opening of the Resurrection perhaps?  ). It also wasn't that I'd gone through his collected works to check on his fluttertongue usage. It was rather that I'd gone through the score of the 9th and found no semibreve tremolos (of any description) and a heck of a lot of bars with two tremolo minims where it would make no sense whatsoever to articulate them. Sorry for any confusion there. The moment in question is in the flutes just after figure 39 in the slow movement. Fluttertongued minims which are very often played separate. This despite the fact that the tremolo in the violins at the same moment, also notated as minims, is as far as I know never articulated in this way. But why did he stop using semibreve tremolos? Hm. A mystery there. |
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« Reply #1459 on: 20:04:47, 23-09-2007 » |
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Hm. I don't know if it's all that interesting really... Here's a thing though. He seems to have changed his practice while writing the sixth symphony. The first movement has semibreve tremolos, the andante has one in the double basses, the scherzo doesn't have any semibreves at all, the last movement has all ts whole-bar tremolos written as two minims (there's a dotted-minim tremolo at one point as well). |
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« Reply #1460 on: 20:11:32, 23-09-2007 » |
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Classic recording of Max's "Revelation and Fall".
Not to mention the rather beautiful Leopardi Fragments. Hmmm... I think I might have to order that CD for myself as soon as possible. And the recording of Ogden playing the 5 piano pieces which I believe tinners asked me about aeons ago on this thread and I forgot to tell him about...so now I have. I like the Leopardi fragments too. Yes, although Ogd on rather than Ogd en, if that's OK with you... Best, AListair |
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« Reply #1461 on: 20:14:23, 23-09-2007 » |
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Ollie, what say we take this to The Notation Thread? Maybe this discussion could be moved to a Mahler thread instead. I've now listened to the Gielen 4th and 3rd (in that order). The way he knows exactly what he wants (and presumably how to get it) is rather impressive, but now and again I find myself asking why did you do that? Elsewhere I think to myself "O Mensch!". |
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« Reply #1462 on: 21:03:41, 23-09-2007 » |
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Now spinning... Don Pasquale in a very enjoyable performance from Torino on Nuova Era (a bargain from Amazon at £3.97!!), which is going down very well with some homemade pasta and creamed mushrooms! Enzo Dara as Pasquale, with Alessandro Corbelli matching him fearlessly in their patter duet as Malatesta.  |
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« Reply #1463 on: 23:29:52, 23-09-2007 » |
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Classic recording of Max's "Revelation and Fall".
Not to mention the rather beautiful Leopardi Fragments. Hmmm... I think I might have to order that CD for myself as soon as possible. And the recording of Ogden playing the 5 piano pieces which I believe tinners asked me about aeons ago on this thread and I forgot to tell him about...so now I have. I like the Leopardi fragments too. Yes, although Ogd on rather than Ogd en, if that's OK with you... Best, AListair Thank you Sir H...very lax of me...was thinking of Hilda, sorry...! BIroc |
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« Reply #1464 on: 23:41:08, 23-09-2007 » |
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Classic recording of Max's "Revelation and Fall".
Not to mention the rather beautiful Leopardi Fragments. Hmmm... I think I might have to order that CD for myself as soon as possible. And the recording of Ogden playing the 5 piano pieces which I believe tinners asked me about aeons ago on this thread and I forgot to tell him about...so now I have. I like the Leopardi fragments too. Yes, although Ogd on rather than Ogd en, if that's OK with you... Best, Alistair Thank you Sir H...very lax of me...was thinking of Hilda, sorry...! BIroc The only laxity here seems to be enshrined in my typing non-skills (of which your neatly cautionary replication of one typical example has not gone UNnoticed) - but I must add not only that I cannot imagine Hilda Anyone playing those pieces but that I am absolutely not a Sir of any kind; indeed, as far as I am aware, the only true Sir of the British Empire around here is Professor Sir Richard-the third Rodnerick Barrett, aka Lord No of Abertawe. Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #1465 on: 23:44:52, 23-09-2007 » |
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Indeed, though of course the composer of the 5 pieces in question is a Sir as well as Master of Her Maj's Musick on the side...  |
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« Reply #1466 on: 23:55:16, 23-09-2007 » |
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Maybe not Hilda Ogden (or Ogdon) as performer - but what about the great Ena Sharples?
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« Reply #1467 on: 23:57:41, 23-09-2007 » |
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Maybe not Hilda Ogden (or Ogdon) as performer - but what about the great Ena Sharples?
Ah, her Prokofiev 1st violin concerto is magnifique! |
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« Reply #1468 on: 00:27:06, 24-09-2007 » |
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Meanwhile: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gbao5vI'm not sure I've recommended this to the assembled company before. It's rare indeed in today's sanitised musical world that one encounters vocal technique and interpretation of this calibre. Not to mention an innate gift for language. I can't recall recently hearing a performance where I've had quite such a strong feeling of a masterpiece receiving a performance it so richly deserves. Ollie, Careful. With that sort of crit, you will do wonders to your chances of meeting marts's wishes and writing for a top shelf high end periodical. Tommo |
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« Reply #1469 on: 00:35:58, 24-09-2007 » |
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Indeed, though of course the composer of the 5 pieces in question is a Sir as well as Master of Her Maj's Musick on the side... Yes, he has indeed been sired, has Mastered his craft and, on top of all of that, is evidently well capable of making a pretty mean casserole au cygne while musing upon the disappearance from his bank accounts of a mere five hundred thousand smackers or so... Best, Alistair |
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