WeeCalum
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1st time I've heard this piece and IMHO it was totally wonderful (guess I'm just a big softie at heart). EPS seemed to get the balance just right. Not too much romantic swooning (well maybe just a bit). Thanks to all who recommended I listen to this after the Chamber Symphony broadcast previously. Next up on the listening agenda is Gurrelieder Then onwards to atonality............  |
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« Reply #1 on: 21:01:55, 19-02-2007 » |
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Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Did you take to his pressure-cooker analogy?!!
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« Reply #2 on: 21:04:28, 19-02-2007 » |
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onwards to atonality... Should you wish to, you can experience the journey in one work - the String Quartet no. 2 starts out tonally but gradually drifts into atonality. It's quite exhilarating. (You might like Christiane Oelze with the Leipzig String Quartet.) |
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WeeCalum
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« Reply #3 on: 21:23:50, 19-02-2007 » |
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Ollie, Don't know if I could handle it all in one go. Small steps and all that.  Roslynmuse, I missed the verbal wittering at the start. What was that about a pressure-cooker?. Not an analogy that comes to mind. |
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« Reply #4 on: 21:29:31, 19-02-2007 » |
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Don't know if I could handle it all in one go. Small steps and all that. Indeed and there's no need to push it... But the thing is, in that piece he eases you into it. So you don't hear a new piece and all of a sudden there's no tonality any more. Much (or even most) of that quartet is tonal, but as it goes on tonality loosens its grip until you have these high, quiet string lines floating away. It's quite an experience. |
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WeeCalum
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« Reply #5 on: 21:34:20, 19-02-2007 » |
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Ollie,
You've got me very interested from your description. I will seek it out.
Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:55:59, 19-02-2007 » |
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The pressure cooker description was EPS's! It might have been more useful to give a bit of background to the origins of the piece.
Can I echo Ollie's recommendation of the 2nd quartet, no need for a PG certificate, just some very beautiful and original sounds. (And it's considerably shorter than Gurrelieder!)
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« Reply #7 on: 22:42:09, 19-02-2007 » |
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'So you don't hear a new piece and all of a sudden there's no tonality any more.' Says Ollie. Sorry, Ollie, smack me!  |
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« Reply #8 on: 22:51:37, 19-02-2007 » |
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martle, I did seriously think (for about 10 seconds) of typing the following: So you don't hear a new piece and - Oliver Sudden! - there's no tonality any more.I'm still glad I didn't though... |
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« Reply #9 on: 11:29:10, 20-02-2007 » |
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Don't know if I could handle it all in one go. Small steps and all that. I know just what you mean, as I have started listening to these composers only recently; but I must say, it has opened up a whole new world. |
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« Reply #10 on: 11:52:41, 20-02-2007 » |
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WeeCalum,
VN is one of my favourite pieces. Glad you enjoyed it too. I like trying to work out which bits of the poem relate to which bits of the music (even though no programme was really intended). The bit where it goes into D Major with Cellos and Violas about half to 2/3 of the way through is clearly where the Man speaks and is supportive (rather than blowing a wobbly.) - just a brilliant moment.
What did you listen to - sextet or string orchestra (or indeed Piano Trio - not quite sure about that!)?
And if you need a romantic / lush break from serialism, go back to Webern "In Sommerwind". if you like VN, you'll like that.
Tommo
PS Not intending to sound like David Mellor on CFM
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« Reply #11 on: 12:09:32, 20-02-2007 » |
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Not intending to sound like David Mellor on CFM Is he someone who often says "if you need a romantic / lush break from serialism, go back to Webern"? |
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rachfan
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« Reply #12 on: 14:28:41, 20-02-2007 » |
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Wee Callum,
Thanks for your post. I can still remember the first time I heard Verklarte Nacht when I was very young and it made a huge impression on me. It still does. Enjoy Gurrelieder, too...
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« Reply #13 on: 23:16:00, 20-02-2007 » |
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Yes what a wonderful composition VN Is ...and so decadent ..like munching through a whole box of chocolates in one go  |
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« Reply #14 on: 00:00:27, 21-02-2007 » |
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Now I would really like CFM to go down the Webern Route. I have asked them to play Verklarte Nacht a few times, but I think the Schoenberg word puts them off.
In case your abode means you are immune to CFM (lucky you) there is a slot on Sundays, hosted by an ex-Conservative MP ex-filandering non-ex-Chelsea fan called "If you liked that then you'll like this". It's not very good.
Tommo
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