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The other is Irvine Arditti, who plays mostly new and twentieth-century music (quite a lot of it stupendously, especially when it compes to people like Ligeti, Xenakis or Ferneyhough) and who is infamous for his alleged inability to improvise. Give him the dots and he can play just about anything, but ask him to start from scratch, ... Outstanding player of Cage's work, too. Come to think of it, Cage had a famous antipathy to improvisation. |
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John W
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« Reply #1 on: 10:18:42, 04-03-2007 » |
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who is infamous for his alleged inability to improvise. Give him the dots and he can play just about anything, but ask him to start from scratch, ...
That was said of Yehudi Menuhin, but it might have been a bit of mischief from Stephane Grappelli. We discussed this at R3MB and I did try and find if anyone else had suggested it, but I think it all comes down to Grappelli who had a sense of humour. John W |
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« Reply #2 on: 10:22:20, 04-03-2007 » |
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Whatever. I'm not much of an improviser either.
And I hear Coltrane's recording of Scaramouche isn't particularly good.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:26:24, 04-03-2007 » |
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Classical musicians are not tought to improvise. Beethoven could improvise for hours.
I know pianists that can improvise for classes of modern dance.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #4 on: 10:56:43, 04-03-2007 » |
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suppose if you want a link between them it's Ligeti. Or maybe the WDR in Köln...  Another link comes from the fact that Irvine has recorded some Biber recently. That will really be something to hear. |
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #5 on: 10:58:27, 04-03-2007 » |
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By the way, does anyone else think that Goebel's tailpiece is somewhat suggestive?
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« Reply #6 on: 11:10:30, 04-03-2007 » |
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What is Goebel's tailpiece?
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« Reply #7 on: 11:13:27, 04-03-2007 » |
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We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
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« Reply #8 on: 11:40:49, 04-03-2007 » |
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Most improvisation starts from something, even if only a handful of stock gestures, harmonies, or the like, which can be embellished and expanded. If someone can hum and you can play it, and make it your own, then you can improvise, Milly.
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« Reply #9 on: 11:51:18, 04-03-2007 » |
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What is Goebel's tailpiece?
Goebel's codpiece as seen from behind...  |
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« Reply #10 on: 11:55:31, 04-03-2007 » |
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Most improvisation starts from something, even if only a handful of stock gestures, harmonies, or the like, which can be embellished and expanded. If someone can hum and you can play it, and make it your own, then you can improvise, Milly.
But that's just it Ian, I'm not making it my own. I'm playing it as I've heard it played by somebody else.  |
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« Reply #11 on: 11:57:21, 04-03-2007 » |
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I learned to sight read one stave when learning recorder, that was thirty years ago. After uni I still played the recorder but played jazz/rock and improvised. I've been into jazz and dance bands ever since and I'm now improvising everything in my head when I'm listening/whistling/singing. When I began self-learning keyboard about 15 years ago I was OK for a couple of books (tunes I knew anyway) but I struggled to read unknown music, found I could only do one-finger chords with left hand. Gave up after a year. Recently bought a pile of music at a charity shop and tempted to get the old Casio down from the attic, when I think I will have the time but I suspect the missus will point me in the direction of the garage  John W |
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« Reply #12 on: 12:14:31, 04-03-2007 » |
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roslynmuse, There is no such word in my dictionary. I already checked and I am at a loss.
I don't remember the name of a jazz pianist who was classically trained who told me to take a piece of music I love and start improvising, embalish it a little at first and then go further from the text.
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« Reply #13 on: 12:19:36, 04-03-2007 » |
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t-p, the tailpiece is the bit of the violin which on Ian's photo is nearest the bottom of the picture, next to where the chinrest normally is. Goebels' tailpiece is somewhat unusually shaped! (quite ornately curvy.)
I am only speculating on his codpiece (the piece of cod that passeth all understanding...)
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« Reply #14 on: 12:29:55, 04-03-2007 » |
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An online English-Russian translator provides the following, t-p, not sure if any of the words refer to the part of the instrument in question:
концовка, задний конец, хвостовая часть, струнодержатель
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