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Author Topic: Wikis - any use around here?  (Read 1014 times)
dave2010
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« on: 11:30:31, 25-04-2007 »

Many of the posters here will have come originally from the R3 boards. Some will still go there from time to time. This board was set up because the BBC made changes to their own boards which are clearly not universally liked by those who use the boards. IMHO it seems that the BBC does not view the boards as a useful service (or at least some of their spokespersons have expressed such an opinion), but rather as a way in which they could receive some feedback - and in a very narrow way.

Message boards are a good way of getting a community together, but I wonder also whether other tools could also be useful. Wikis could be a useful way of the community here compiling an information base of possibly useful information to encapsulate some of the knowledge which from time to time appears in message threads. Does anyone here have an interest in such a project?

For example, we could compile a data base of recordings/performances which we like, or we could have a section on audio. We could also provide guides to future events. There are pros and cons of wikis versus MBs - and some participants may not wish to use both. However it might be possible to build up a more definitive, and also searchable, knowledge base by this approach, and it could be relatively easy to do if a suitable wiki server is found. Personally I like the Wikimedia wiki engine, but storage to host the data would be needed. There are quite a few other wiki spaces available now - though they might not be appropriate for the use I'm proposing. For examples - Dekiwiki, wikispace, pbwiki etc. Most of us don't have time to explore all of these.
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« Reply #1 on: 12:24:47, 25-04-2007 »

dave,

I'm familiar with Wikipedia but I'm sure what sort of wiki you are referring to here, a sort of community thing is it?

Can you point us in the the direction of a goog (in your opinion) wiki thing we can access/view to get an idea of what our R3ok community could be doing?

John W
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« Reply #2 on: 13:45:21, 25-04-2007 »

For members to share musicological knowledge and/or views, I would recommend variously:
Musipedia
and the slightly more specialized
International Music Score Library Project
Both of which have their own associated fora (is fora correct? not forums? does that make me forameniferous?)
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« Reply #3 on: 13:56:35, 25-04-2007 »

Both of which have their own associated fora (is fora correct? not forums? does that make me forameniferous?)

Many years ago, I was told by an ancient and crumbling Latin teacher (the sort who gave the impression that he might actually have been there) that the correct plural of forum is fori, on the grounds that it was a deformed masculine rather than the neuter noun that it is normally perceived to be.

Who said traditional education didn't give you skills for life  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: 17:22:55, 25-04-2007 »

dave,

I'm familiar with Wikipedia but I'm sure what sort of wiki you are referring to here, a sort of community thing is it?

Can you point us in the the direction of a goog (in your opinion) wiki thing we can access/view to get an idea of what our R3ok community could be doing?

John W
John

Have you ever created or edited (e.g corrected) an entry in Wikipedia? Once the concept of changing text has been picked up, then there are a few other issues. The community behind is important, and also the software. Wikimedia is the wiki engine used in Wikipedia - it's rather good, but needs to be hosted on a server. Some small scale wikis can be hosted on specialist sites, or wiki farms, such as:
   
I can probably point you at a few good examples given an hour or two's searching. There are some issues about whether you simply want content, or also templates, the use of formatting such as CSS and dynamic HTML, and other features such as comments (similar to blogs) in a wiki.

I think the most important things are ability to track changes and a search facility, which Wikimedia has, plus of course a motivated community which has some ideas of where it wants to go.
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« Reply #5 on: 17:53:04, 25-04-2007 »

John

Have you ever created or edited (e.g corrected) an entry in Wikipedia?

Yes I have, mainly to do with entertainers/singers from the 1920's and 1930's and the Radio 2 page.

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I can probably point you at a few good examples given an hour or two's searching. There are some issues about whether you simply want content, or also templates, the use of formatting such as CSS and dynamic HTML, and other features such as comments (similar to blogs) in a wiki.

I can write basic HTML for websites with images, tables, links etc. The R2ok website is an example, and I have a vintage jazz/dancemusic site that some members have seen, and also my own business site is 'homemade'.

So, what with also mod duties at places, not sure I have the time to run a proper R3/classical site also Smiley

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I think the most important things are ability to track changes and a search facility, which Wikimedia has, plus of course a motivated community which has some ideas of where it wants to go.

We have several regular contributors here so I expect there will be some interest.

John W

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« Reply #6 on: 15:53:12, 26-04-2007 »

I am not remotely technical, but recently I have been taking a look at h2g2 which seems to be a sort of BBC  wikipedia. I just wonder whether there might be a suitable space there.... but am probably quite wrong!
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« Reply #7 on: 09:12:51, 27-04-2007 »

I am not remotely technical, but recently I have been taking a look at h2g2 which seems to be a sort of BBC  wikipedia. I just wonder whether there might be a suitable space there.... but am probably quite wrong!
SusanDoris
One problem with wikis and community areas is whether the site owners will let you play there. I've looked at h2g2, though not for a long while, and it was good. I think though that this may not be an area where anyone can play, but I'll look again.

Since the rise of Wikipedia many now assume that it's OK to post on almost anything/anywhere, but that's not true. One of the first wikis was this one - http://c2.com/cgi/wiki - but if you go and write anything that's not connected with the mathematical topics which the community want, someone will probably delete your post within minutes of your posting. That was one of my first experiences anyway.

To do this we would need space and software - both are possible. I'll get back to this thread later on with more information. Another issue is how much space would be required, and whether the pages would grow significantly. Wikipedia is now very large, but started small. We could easily get a small amount of space and try it out, but the danger would be that just as it started to become useful and interesting we'd have to migrate to a different server and/or different software.

I'll be back!

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dave2010
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« Reply #8 on: 10:24:56, 29-04-2007 »

I have done some provisional work on this, and there is a page with some example wikis at http://dave2002.wikispaces.com/example+wikis

Also note that if you want a portable personal wiki, these are also mentioned on that page (at the bottom), or you can go directly to http://dave2002.wikispaces.com/Personal+wikis+and+notepads

This is still work in progress and experimental though, but some of the links may give a flavour of what's possible.

For example, here we could have topics grouped around:

  • Artists
  • Composers
  • Pieces
  • Recordings
  • Performances
  • Events

etc.

It'll only be worth starting though if there's enough interest in creating such a document.
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dave2010
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« Reply #9 on: 05:34:24, 30-04-2007 »

I have now put in a request to wikia (http://requests.wikia.com) for a new wiki associated with this board. See http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/R3ok-wiki#Main_details

You can edit the request and this may increase the chances of success. I think it's best to use wikis based on Wikimedia for the time being, as this is well known by many users. Some other wiki systems may be easier in some respects, but Wikimedia has the widest following.

I also hope that if this request is accepted that a community of users will emerge reasonably quickly.
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dave2010
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« Reply #10 on: 19:08:03, 30-04-2007 »

There is now some interest in this from the wikia community. See the page at http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/R3ok-wiki

If anyone wishes to post a positive reply to the Musicality people, please go ahead. It seems to be a way forward, and could move us on quicker than waiting for a reply from the admin people to approve an r3ok-wiki.



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dave2010
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« Reply #11 on: 09:52:50, 02-05-2007 »

The Musicality wiki which we've been offered is at http://musicality.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Have a look at this, and see if you can contribute, or make suggestions.
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« Reply #12 on: 18:22:26, 07-05-2007 »

The Musicality wiki which we've been offered is at http://musicality.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Have a look at this, and see if you can contribute, or make suggestions.


I've added a new section for Reviews, and put up a somewhat sketchy review of the Manchester Cello Festival concert on Saturday. Anyone else want to join in?
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« Reply #13 on: 18:32:45, 07-05-2007 »

There is now some interest in this from the wikia community. See the page at http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/R3ok-wiki

If anyone wishes to post a positive reply to the Musicality people, please go ahead. It seems to be a way forward, and could move us on quicker than waiting for a reply from the admin people to approve an r3ok-wiki.


dave, I did send you a message approving use of R3ok in your wiki
http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/R3ok-wiki#Main_details

are you now just going with the Musicality site Huh


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« Reply #14 on: 22:26:41, 07-05-2007 »

The Musicality wiki which we've been offered is at http://musicality.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Have a look at this, and see if you can contribute, or make suggestions.


I've added a new section for Reviews, and put up a somewhat sketchy review of the Manchester Cello Festival concert on Saturday. Anyone else want to join in?

Hi Dave, I've had a look (and made a tiny edit) - let me know when more appears!
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