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« Reply #5340 on: 13:13:33, 30-03-2008 » |
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stop shoving Easter about as well.
Well you can blame the moon for that. Very probably. But Christmas is always on the same day so Easter should be too. |
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« Reply #5341 on: 13:24:49, 30-03-2008 » |
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stop shoving Easter about as well.
Well you can blame the moon for that. Very probably. But Christmas is always on the same day so Easter should be too. Easter is a Moveable Feast because Easter is the Sunday after the Paschal Full Moon. The Paschal Full Moon may occur from March 21 through April 18, inclusive. Therefore the date of Easter is from March 22 through April 25, inclusive. This year of course it was the earliest it could be. There have been talks by the World Council of Churches to fix a set date, I think mid-April is the most likely date. I think Pope John thought there would be nothing wrong in having a set date. |
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« Reply #5342 on: 13:55:48, 30-03-2008 » |
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As wiki says, the Paschal full moon does not currently correspond directly to any astronomical event, but is historically determined using calculated tables, and of course 'the date' will even differ from the date of the actual full moon (by up to two days) depending where you are in the world. So yes, in this modern day, to simplify our calendars and annual planning, a set date should be just as valid as an Easter date.
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« Reply #5343 on: 14:05:55, 30-03-2008 » |
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Very probably. But Christmas is always on the same day so Easter should be too.
Easter is related to the Jewish feast of Passover, Pesach, both symbolically and historically. The Jews have lunar months. So the formula for calculating Easter takes account of lunar dates (as Antheil mentions.) In early church history, Christians got their knickers in a twist over the date of Easter more than some do nowadays about gay clergy. (See Bede, one of the most important world figures to come from the North East, but he does become a dreadful bore as soon as the date of Easter comes up.) I prefer it that there is something unpredictable about Easter. My birthday has fallen on Good Friday a number of times, but is never due to fall on Easter Sunday until I am in my 80s. It gives me something to which to look forward. This is not grumpy. I wish the Orthodox and Western churches could have Easter at the same date. They did last year, but it is a month later this year. |
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« Reply #5344 on: 17:35:40, 30-03-2008 » |
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The main problem, if you want to call it that, is that Easter causes such havoc with school holidays. If Easter was the same date every year (yet it wouldn't be the same date every year - it would have to move around to coincide with Sunday otherwise an entire liturgical tradition (Holy Week) would be pretty silly otherwise), I suspect that schools would quickly establish term dates that would remain the same year in, year out.
Having said that, I teach at an institution which ignores the traditional division of terms and gives two weeks holidays at Christmas and Easter but this is an interruption to our regular teaching rather than establishing an end point.
Anyway, what I came here to grump about was the fact that I've been shopping on Friday, yesterday and today, but I still haven't managed to buy what I'm looking for (music by...?): orange squash and ecover washing liquid.
Co-op was out of ecover, Sainsbury's don't stock it, so I'll be nipping out to Tesco now my stew's in the oven.
The squash I just forgot. Three times.
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« Reply #5345 on: 17:40:44, 30-03-2008 » |
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but I still haven't managed to buy what I'm looking for (music by...?):
Might you be thinking of U2, hh? |
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« Reply #5346 on: 17:48:16, 30-03-2008 » |
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but I still haven't managed to buy what I'm looking for (music by...?):
Might you be thinking of U2, hh? I think I might!  And now I have. Bought them I mean. Well it's not ecover but I'm not about to stomp half way across the city on a Sunday afternoon when I should be hard at work on the off-chance that one of these places will have the brand of washing liquid that I'm looking for. So I bought another brand instead. |
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« Reply #5347 on: 17:48:37, 30-03-2008 » |
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The main problem, if you want to call it that, is that Easter causes such havoc with school holidays. If Easter was the same date every year (yet it wouldn't be the same date every year - it would have to move around to coincide with Sunday otherwise an entire liturgical tradition (Holy Week) would be pretty silly otherwise), I suspect that schools would quickly establish term dates that would remain the same year in, year out.
This is what's happened in Hampshire this year (sensibly, I think). We had a 'long weekend' over Easter and we break up for our two week break this coming Friday. If we'd broken up at the 'normal' time (i.e. before Palm Sunday) it would have meant that the half-term was only 3 weeks long and'wed have had a very lengthy summer term. |
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« Reply #5348 on: 18:00:10, 30-03-2008 » |
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I'm not about to stomp half way across the city on a Sunday afternoon when I should be hard at work on the off-chance that one of these places will have the brand of washing liquid that I'm looking for im in ur city lookin for eco frendli ditergnt |
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« Reply #5349 on: 18:50:13, 30-03-2008 » |
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The main problem, if you want to call it that, is that Easter causes such havoc with school holidays. If Easter was the same date every year (yet it wouldn't be the same date every year - it would have to move around to coincide with Sunday otherwise an entire liturgical tradition (Holy Week) would be pretty silly otherwise), I suspect that schools would quickly establish term dates that would remain the same year in, year out.
Same here. He breaks up on Friday for a fortnight having had just a long weekend for the Easter days. This is what's happened in Hampshire this year (sensibly, I think). We had a 'long weekend' over Easter and we break up for our two week break this coming Friday. If we'd broken up at the 'normal' time (i.e. before Palm Sunday) it would have meant that the half-term was only 3 weeks long and'wed have had a very lengthy summer term. |
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« Reply #5350 on: 19:09:36, 30-03-2008 » |
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But Milly and hh and IGI, the Paschal Moon and their Golden Numbers. Ther Golden Numbers.
If Jesus wanted to sort out the half-term holdiays in Hampshire he would have, wouldn't have?
Or gone off clubbing. To Ibiza
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #5351 on: 19:13:42, 30-03-2008 » |
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Any time Jesus wants to sort out my course documents, including the learning outcomes, assessment mode structures, assessment criteria, lecture synopses and serachable reading lists, he's welcome. Grump.
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« Reply #5352 on: 19:34:21, 30-03-2008 » |
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"Forgive us our assessment mode structures, as we forgive those that assess against us, May those with searchable reading lists be finders, and finders keepers. Amen" Holy Moly, Martle, is that what today's work task was. I had fondly imagined you sitting there in Martello Towers composing two different martlepieces at once. But with Easter so early this year it's Admin Sunday already?  |
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« Reply #5353 on: 19:38:39, 30-03-2008 » |
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Got it in one, George!  Now, pass me that transferable skills cassock, would you. |
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« Reply #5354 on: 19:59:51, 30-03-2008 » |
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 "There's your damn Course P301 Systems Module Timetable. From now on you stick to it, right?"
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