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Author Topic: Meeting Life's Challenges & Upsets  (Read 26265 times)
Morticia
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« Reply #660 on: 19:28:38, 23-01-2008 »

Just chipping in with my thoughts relating to points raised by Kitty and Milly which, had my brain been running on Moderate-Fair speed as opposed to Zzzzz-Huh?, I would have mentioned earlier.

Regret, as a response to a situation, is not in itself a negative thing. It is how we respond to our feeling of regret that can be negative. To regret nothing? Hmm, don`t think I`d want to be built like that.  That`s my two bobsworth anyway.   
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« Reply #661 on: 20:50:17, 23-01-2008 »

i don't agree with this lady, but i do agree with mort; regret helps us learn.
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« Reply #662 on: 20:59:32, 23-01-2008 »

I've been following this thread but have been unable to find anything meaningful to say that someone hasn't already put more eloquently than I could. 

We are all in the same boat I believe with these feelings. The only people that aren't would be psychopaths who I've read are born without the wiring that gives us a conscience.  Hardly their fault then it would seem....but that's another argument.
Both the above paragraphs seconded by me...
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« Reply #663 on: 21:21:57, 23-01-2008 »

i don't agree with this lady, but i do agree with mort; regret helps us learn.
Never, ever, ever take the words of a chanson at face value... Wink
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« Reply #664 on: 21:27:02, 23-01-2008 »

I came here to say that today I ran over somebody's puppy in my car, which then ran away, and I have no idea whether it was ever found, or if it lived or died.

I feel terrible, even though it wasn't my fault at all, it just darted out of the hedgerow straight under the car.
Poor you, Jan, I can understand how awful you must feel about that. If it ran off then there's a good chance it survived and someone will have found it.

MJ  Kiss
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« Reply #665 on: 21:37:06, 23-01-2008 »

Janthefan,
It took me a long time to respond to your message, but I also think that may be that puppy has survived because it run off. I can understand how badly you must feel.

We have not seen you for a long time. May be you will have time to come more often.  Kiss

I like what Kitty writes very much. I should write it on my wall.
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there are some things that cannot be set right for our own comfort. Some doors have been closed. But we can always "pay it forward",
I don't understand "pay it forward". Do you mean play it forward?
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« Reply #666 on: 21:46:07, 23-01-2008 »

t-p, "pay it forward" means that when somebody does something good for you, you "pay it forward" (rather than "paying it back") by doing something good for somebody else Wink
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« Reply #667 on: 22:05:28, 23-01-2008 »

Thank you Ruth. Now I understand.
I was thinking a long time before deciding to write the following. What if one is so disappointed with helping, doing good, but always feels that people don't appreciate, take for granted, only use you etc etc etc. I have a friend who said that one should not carry the other person' spear. Perhaps most people in this world are concerned with promotion of themselves.
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« Reply #668 on: 00:22:28, 24-01-2008 »

Jan,

I sincerely hope the young puppy is OK.  As it ran away the chances are good.

I had sort of got myself into an OK state before I mentioned my challenge, and what I got from the wondefil replies was manyfold - a sense that we (nearly) all have guilt periods, that this is a great community, and something to help with next time.  I hope other people got the same or more.

Thanks

Tommo
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« Reply #669 on: 03:05:27, 24-01-2008 »

The only people that aren't would be psychopaths who I've read are born without the wiring that gives us a conscience. 
Not necessarily; well, it depends on one's definitions, and whatever they might be, it's rather complicated from what I understand; some people are prone to psychotic episodes, but wouldn't be considered to be psychopathic 24/7.  (my understanding of all this is minimal).
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« Reply #670 on: 07:42:29, 24-01-2008 »

The only people that aren't would be psychopaths who I've read are born without the wiring that gives us a conscience. 
Not necessarily; well, it depends on one's definitions, and whatever they might be, it's rather complicated from what I understand; some people are prone to psychotic episodes, but wouldn't be considered to be psychopathic 24/7.  (my understanding of all this is minimal).

I don't understand it at all.  Psychopaths are not considered to be insane and are dealt with in the Courts as any other criminal.   However when you look at the type of crimes that psychopaths usually commit I don't see how insanity doesn't come into it.  It is extremely complicated as you say.
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« Reply #671 on: 10:43:44, 24-01-2008 »

what I got from the wonderful replies was manyfold - a sense that we (nearly) all have guilt periods, that this is a great community, and something to help with next time.  I hope other people got the same or more.

Indeed I did. Including from your posts, Tommo. Thanks all.  Smiley
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« Reply #672 on: 22:24:58, 24-01-2008 »

After investigating a pretty wide spectrum of therapies and what-not, some of it by formal university study, I've concluded that they have to be seen in regard to a wider context which is covered by for example a psychologist called David Smail, another aspect of it by Victor Frankl, and another angle by the likes of so called Neuro Linguistic Programming. Which are easily Google-able.

Smail found in the Thatcherite 80s there was a clear rise in the numbers seeking psychiatry, and he traced this back to bedrock stuff that gives us the nourishment and resources we need for happy living and resilient living, able to stand the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". If you have disposable money, a nice house, a family or partner, a job, a hobby, a decent diet etc, you will be happier and more resilient. In the 80s, life got tough and more people got sick. There are lots of factors, and they are like psychological vitamins that conventional psychologies disregard and don't understand. As I recall, one of his books is called The Myth of Psychotherapy. A very good read.

There's a slightly upsetting but poetic moment in an uncharacteristic movie by David Lynch, the gentle and lovely Straight Story. A driver ploughs into a beautiful deer on one of those long US desert highways, distraught that in such a large space it happens to her regularly and she has no choice because she has to travel that road to work. The old fella of the movie arrives at the scene on his lawnmower vehicle, to witness this:



Movie therapy.

Music therapy.

Romance therapy.

Flower, fragrance, poetry therapy, and watching the sun rise and set, therapy.

It's all "therapy", and the myth is that psychological so called expertise has cut up life and pinned it down into its various systems and methods.

People also have different constitutions, making them more or less disposed for resilience like whether you can, or cannot, lift 200 pounds, and there's nothing or very little that can be done about that.
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« Reply #673 on: 23:59:20, 24-01-2008 »

Thanks for that, greenfox.

I find this interesting/helpful, too. Maybe not for everyone, but worth a look if you're so inclined.
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« Reply #674 on: 10:31:41, 25-01-2008 »

Thanks, I'll check that out when I have a moment.
Homing in on dealing with upsets etc, I find a lot depends on my 'state' at any moment: stressed, calm, whatever.
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