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« Reply #630 on: 11:17:13, 22-01-2008 » |
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It's abundantly clear by now that you are not alone, Tommo, but I thought I'd add my voice too.
One of the difficulties of the freelance life, that none of us talk about with each other because no one wants to admit when they're not busy, is the occasional long stretch of absolutely nothing to do but contemplate all of one's own shortcomings. Such stretches of free time are theoretically ideal chances to practise, learn new repertoire, pursue new friendships or strengthen old ones, explore other interests outside of music - but self-doubt and feelings of worthlessness and shame emerge so easily when given gaps of time to face the void.
I think we all undermine ourselves in one way or another. I don't know why. IGI mentioned a fear of failure. I think there's also a corresponding fear of success, because with success come both responsibility and the expectation of continued success. And I'm referring not only to professional success, but also to "successful" relationships, friendships, family relations and so on.
As for tormenting one's self with every hurtful thing or neglectful action one has ever done or said - yes I do that too. I try to tell myself (and I hope this doesn't sound harsh or accusatory) that thinking my words or acts have stung for so long is a form of egotism on my part, and demonstrates a lack of faith that the other person has been able to cope with or shrug off whatever I said or did. Sometimes this merely gives me another reason to detest myself, but I think in the long run it helps in letting go and lessening my feelings of guilt.
I hope you've had a good night's sleep, Tommo, and are facing the new(ish) day with more optimism.
Andy D, your message wrung at my heart. It probably won't do any good for me to urge you not to blame yourself, but I want to say it anyway.
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« Reply #631 on: 11:28:20, 22-01-2008 » |
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AndyD, I would just like to echo what Ollie and strina have said. I have often thought that the guilt we inflict on ourselves can be more lacerating than the guilt that others sometimes try to lay at our door.
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« Reply #632 on: 11:31:02, 22-01-2008 » |
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Regret is such a negative feeling though. If you can do something or apologise, do so. But there are so many things that can't be undone or, as Tommo said, there's no one to apologise to. This certainly applies in the case of the friend I wrote about. So where does my regret about him get me? Nowhere. Hence I don't beat myself up about it - well, not often . He was a great music lover so a few of us dedicated a seat in the Adrian Boult Hall at Birmingham Conservatoire to him since he used to attend many concerts there.
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« Reply #633 on: 12:50:22, 22-01-2008 » |
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All this sad talk is ringing bells with me because, of late I have had some serious problems. Guilt really is a terrible thing - it is also very, very difficult to let go of. As for my recent mental state (it's a long story that I will not go into here), it has stirred up a lot of old things I thought I had forgotten about and really screwed me up again. I wish the human mind was more like a computer - then we could choose which memories to delete forever.
I fear being alone more than anything else but I am not alone now and haven't been since I met Lynn.
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« Reply #634 on: 12:54:05, 22-01-2008 » |
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Everything's been said, and by now you'll have realised that you certainly aren't alone. My own particular guilt is a common one, I think. I wasn't anywhere near nice enough to my mother in her old age. This was partly because I really didn't understand the problems of old age then (I do now, too late), and partly because I was just selfish. I don't think I was horribly bad, but I could have been one hell of a lot better. I often think, "Sorry, Mother". I was better with my father, but that's partly because he had far fewer problems.
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« Reply #635 on: 12:56:49, 22-01-2008 » |
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Jonathan, exactly: concentrate on the positives (not that anyone who interacts with others on this board should ever feel alone either, even if friendship in cyberspace lacks the final comfort of physical contact).
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« Reply #636 on: 13:15:13, 22-01-2008 » |
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Tommo, Here's yet another one to say you are not alone. I feel like I could write a drab, book-length homily on this subject, but I won't because the bulk of what it would say is contained in these few words - You've made mistakes? Who hasn't? Are you trying to learn by them? Then where's the problem?
Your decency shines through clearly in your vulnerability, and ultimately I believe it is from an acceptance of your decency and your wish to learn from past misdemeanours, that you can find some kind of peace with those misdemeanours. Redemption is one of the greatest human happinesses and enlightenments I think. Sorry if that sounds a bit pompous. It's what I believe, just badly expressed. I send you my best wishes and support, and I hope that you are feeling better today. IGI, I felt a lot of things about your post, but I will limit myself to saying I was very touched by it. I wish you luck and believe you very much deserve it. I have often thought that the guilt we inflict on ourselves can be more lacerating than the guilt that others sometimes try to lay at our door.
I would endorse that a hundred times over.
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« Reply #637 on: 13:20:26, 22-01-2008 » |
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Tommo, there's nothing I can add to what others have written here (except to say that I have experienced that sort of lacerating guilt too), but I just wanted to pick up on something that IGI wrote about his work and life.
I've been in a similar position to IGI - doing something career-wise that I enjoy (and like to think I am good at) rather than doing the expected thing of chasing promotions and moving up the career ladder. Others sometimes see this as a sign of poor attitude or wasted potential or lack of ambition (whatever that means) but at least I have job satisfaction and the time for the more important things in life, like my family, and music and books and so on. I think what I'm saying is that however guilty we all feel at times, sometimes it's about the expectations of others, and it's important to ask ourselves whether those expectations are reasonable and fair; sometimes we just need to carve out our own path.
Hope you are feeling better today.
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« Reply #638 on: 13:29:04, 22-01-2008 » |
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Entirely agreed with all of the above. We live in a bloody difficult time for classical music - everything is wanted quicker, cheaper, and better than ever before, to service a declining audience who are going to rate us against Pappano, Richter, Kogan, Pavarotti, Pountney, or whoever. Any of us who are working at all need to be constantly congratulating ourselves on that fact, because many more are not working - they've given up due to financial pressures, or ill-health, or depression or disillusionment. We work on dreary crud half the time or more, looking forward to the increasing rare occasions when the end-result is going to be a well-rehearsed, exciting performance of worthwhile material. The spectre of "mediocrity" is ever-present, not because of our own abilities - but the circumstances in which half-rehearsed material gets slung-on by people who don't care anyhow. I occasionally get to work with people much farther up the profession than myself, and the sad thing is that it's not better there either. The more famous you get, the more often you're asked to perform lollipops, crossover popularist stuff - whilst your every move is written-up in the gutter-press and your private life isn't private any more. How do you deal with a Press Conference in which you're ready to discuss what you've rehearsed, and the first question is "Is it true your wife has left you?". I know, I know, no-one "made" us go into this profession. Last night I was trying to cheer-up a singer, who wants to buy a car. She was turned-down for credit on a Daewoo Matiz, the cheapest non-Russian car on the market, on the basis of "poor salary". This month she's singing Amneris, Cherubino and the Old Prioress (CARMELITES), she's at the top of her game, has a cult audience following, has guest-appeared at the Mariinsky and the Bolshoi... but her pay doesn't run to even a motorised tin-can. "I worked my whole career to get to where I am... I've got about five years before they take me aside and tell me I'm too old to do Carmen any longer, and I end up either singing The Nursemaid and Arnalta, or just shooting myself." It really isn't her, or you, or us, or me, or them... it's all of us in this same boat. How many of us are doing gigs where the fee doesn't cover the costs? Or for a fee which the organisers admit "is purely symbolic"? Still, you have to keep a sense of humour. At my last show, the Administrator came to me, and said that four people had left at the Interval. When she saw them at the Coat-Check, she asked them if they hadn't liked the show? "No, not at all!" they replied. "The seats - are not wide enough. I like to be comfortable, and these seats are narrow". "And the conductor is too young. A conductor should be at least fifty. This young man has no authority with the audience."
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« Reply #639 on: 13:35:31, 22-01-2008 » |
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Ahem. Can I just step in here to say that I think the flag waving on behalf of Tommo and the wonderful demonstrations of genuine concern, kindness and empathy are just bluddy fantastic to behold!
All the above have been demonstrated time and time again here, so I think one of these is in order ....
YOU`RE A GREAT BUNCH!!
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« Reply #640 on: 16:33:56, 22-01-2008 » |
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I've been in a similar position to IGI - doing something career-wise that I enjoy (and like to think I am good at) rather than doing the expected thing of chasing promotions and moving up the career ladder.
I remember reading through a pile-a-shit book 'How to cope with difficult people' from the self-help section back when I worked the shelves many summers ago, and one chapter in it really got under my skin. The example woman they gave was one who, in spite of being able to 'do the cryptic crossword in five minutes', was employed as a lowly bank teller and had refused all offers of promotion. These were apparently damning-enough personality trait to get her included in this book as being somebody so beyond hope that one simply has to learn to 'deal' with them as best one can. (I can't recall the advice off hand, alas).
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« Reply #641 on: 17:55:23, 22-01-2008 » |
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My dear friends,
I've been in meetings nearly all day, and have only been able to flit in and out of R3ok. Only just now have I read this amazing wealth of support. As Mort says, you are a Great Bunch!
There are a few more things to say...
Jonathan - sorry for opening up old wounds. Please bear in mind the other meashes here - I feel sure they will help.
Ron - I really like your positive and negative lists, and I also like your point about learning. Perhaps that can help understand the point of guilt when there is no one to apologise to. The specific circumstance cannot change, but how I approach similar circumstances in future is up to me.
IGI - I think a lot of issues arise from your English teacher's use of the word "better". Who is she to judge what a fulfilling life for you would be? I have little problem fending off these judgements when an individual makes them, but I do have trouble with general social views (especially advertising) which install themselves in my subconscious. Feeling guilty for not achieving an inner demon's ambitions is a tricky one - not least in working out who's talking inside my head!
Anyway, please don't live by rules set by other people's values.
Thanks everyone. I am very lucky to know you.
Tommo
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« Reply #642 on: 18:32:20, 22-01-2008 » |
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Tommo,
Don't worry, seriously, I was already in a bad place so it's nothing that wasn't already there. It's not your fault.
Also, hope you are feeling better now - I am!
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Best regards, Jonathan ********************************************* "as the housefly of destiny collides with the windscreen of fate..."
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« Reply #643 on: 20:44:30, 22-01-2008 » |
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I've been very moved reading all these recent posts in response to Tommo's. What a genuinely supportive community exists here. Many of us have difficult times when we're struggling to keep going with all the pressures in our lives. Perhaps this is a good opportunity for me to thank everyone here who's helped to make this board such a comfortingly friendly place for me to visit. Such a welcome haven - I've needed it to boost my spirits an awful lot recently.
Best wishes and love to you all. I hope 2008 brings much happiness.
MJ xx
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« Reply #644 on: 21:15:24, 22-01-2008 » |
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Only just stumbled across the recent very moving posts, and would like to echo their sentiments, particularly with respect to dear Tommo. Difficult for me to go into any details, but -- as the posts here suggest in abundance -- you most certainly are not alone, Tommo. And you're all a champion bunch!
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