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« Reply #600 on: 21:33:47, 11-01-2008 » |
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MJ, I was in the vet's surgery for a total of 15 minutes, 12 of which were spent in the waiting room.
40 QUID!
That's your super-quick Christmas shopping success coming back to haunt you then, Mart! What goes around comes around?
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« Reply #601 on: 19:38:02, 13-01-2008 » |
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I suppose you're right, tinners. Still, all's well that ends well. The little dear is fully recovered and... ...constantly dashing out to see where the ginge tom is with a view to, um, furthering their discussions.
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« Reply #602 on: 00:07:22, 17-01-2008 » |
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I've just been rewatching the 3rd part of Jonathan Miller's Brief History of Disbelief which was on BBC4 3 years (?) ago. As someone who has no religious belief (although I call myself an agnostic for purely philosophical reasons), I found myself in tears towards the end of the programme. After that I certainly don't feel as if I can meet life's (and death's) challenges. I knew I should have watched Batman instead
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« Reply #603 on: 00:17:40, 17-01-2008 » |
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I watched that first time round but can't remember any of it, so don't worry about it. Had anything really stupendous been said I'm sure I'd have remembered. What exactly moved you to tears?
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« Reply #604 on: 08:16:13, 17-01-2008 » |
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Actually I take all that back. I remember now seeing all the atrocities perpetrated by believers through the ages on anyone who didn't agree. Sorry Andy - I was just thinking of rhetoric really in my previous post.
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« Reply #605 on: 10:36:46, 17-01-2008 » |
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There wasn't so much of that in part 3 Milly. It was towards the end of the programme when JM was talking about what he was expecting from his own death, as an atheist. He also talked to a woman who was close to dying about her remaining hopes. I found this so moving and so depressing.
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« Reply #606 on: 10:53:05, 17-01-2008 » |
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May be our mental state is so different when we are getting close to the end that things seems different and not so depressing.
There are many people who had near death experience. It is interesting to look back at one's life. I have learnt so much about myself and the world. Beside when I was younger I had so many problems, so many worries, disappointments. I am so grateful for being able to go through with it. I don't know how I got through really.
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« Reply #607 on: 11:52:34, 17-01-2008 » |
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There wasn't so much of that in part 3 Milly. It was towards the end of the programme when JM was talking about what he was expecting from his own death, as an atheist. He also talked to a woman who was close to dying about her remaining hopes. I found this so moving and so depressing.
Yes I remember that, the lady with the facial cancer who agreed to be interviewed provided she didn't have to show her face. She spoke about experiencing a time of ecstacy during the process of dying, but wasn't expecting anything afterwards. Jonathan Miller seemed, like the rest of us, more concerned about the manner of his demise. He wondered if he would be in pain or suffer generally and of course he accepted that he wouldn't see his grandchildren grow up. As you say, moving and depressing.
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« Reply #608 on: 12:01:01, 17-01-2008 » |
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When my father was about 93, and not ill or disabled at all but naturally finding life rather harder, we once talked about what it felt like to know he would probably die in the next few years. He said, "It would be a relief". He was always a most philosophical man, who hardly ever complained about anything, but he felt that life could only get more difficult and he might have to give up his independence. He died the next year, just died, still without being ill. Going round the supermarket one day, dead the next. Death is not always the worst option. There was absolutely nothing to be sad about. He was a lucky man.
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« Reply #609 on: 12:03:46, 17-01-2008 » |
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When my father was about 93, and not ill or disabled at all but naturally finding life rather harder, we once talked about what it felt like to know he would probably die in the next few years. He said, "It would be a relief". He was always a most philosophical man, who hardly ever complained about anything, but he felt that life could only get more difficult and he might have to give up his independence. He died the next year, just died, still without being ill. Going round the supermarket one day, dead the next. Death is not always the worst option. There was absolutely nothing to be sad about. He was a lucky man.
Same with my father Mary. Instant death - aortal aneurysm. Unfortunately he was only 62. However, you're absolutely right - no better way to go. He was lucky. And in fact as his mother and sister all died in the same way, I've put my order in to do the same as well.
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« Reply #610 on: 23:03:49, 21-01-2008 » |
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This post in no way ranks up there as a huge challenge or a major upset, and I am surprised to find myself here as a genuine poster (rather than a wellwisher), but I think it's home is here all the same.
Yesterday I had an all day rehearsal, and just couldn't 'get into' playing. Normally, even if I'm a bit out of practice, something will just click after an hour or so. But not yesterday - just 7 hours of feeling mediocre. I don't want to be mediocre. And I left the rehearsal wondering why I played the violin.
That then led to me wondering, on the train home, why I did anything. I love gardening, but I'm not great at it and couldn't earn a living doing it. Same goes for cooking. And probably the same for writing - although that's a bit different. I feel I could be really good at it, but I need to give myself the time to practise writing. And that discipline is something I struggle with - which got me a bit glum. I regretted wasting my life so far.
And then, when I put my head on my pillow, my mind decided to remind me of all the embarrassing moments of my life. All the times I cringe to remember. All the things that make me hate myself. Right from the time when aged 7 on holiday in France I got overexcited about the waiter asking my Dad if he wanted Heineken or Stella because I liked the idea of a beer that reached the parts others didn't and received a disdainful look as he chose Stella, to the way I treated girlfriends at college, to things I said about a violinist on a music course (who I greatly envied) to her admirers which were irrelevant but hurtful, to the times I've insulted people unintentionally by careless use of words or jokes, to .... well there's lots more...
I don't feel I got control of myself until late in life - at least until about 5 years ago. And I still catch myself making mistakes and grimacing about them. So, for my brain to drag them up again meant I was awake all night.
So I've had a thoroughly miserable 36 hours or so. I'm OK-ish now, and will just get on with things - including violin, gardening, cookery, writing, and the day job. I just do want to say "Sorry" though. Many of the people I need to say sorry to have gone now - either no longer with us, or I'm no longer in contact with them. But if I have ever upset anyone here (whether as a poster, if we have met in a different life, or imagined), I'm sorry to you guys too.
One thing that would help me is knowing whether or not I am alone. Does anyone else get crippled by guilt? Even by the smallest things from your past? Has anyone learned how to let go if there's no one to apologise to?
Thanks
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« Reply #611 on: 23:12:11, 21-01-2008 » |
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I feel almost exactly like that whenever I start thinking too much (*), Tommo, if it's any consolation at all. (* i.e. quite a lot of the time )The feeling of not having managed to stop being rude/accidentally offending/not saying the right thing to people even when you have gained enough maturity/experience to know you're doing it is especially familiar. One thing that I've come to realise over the years that sort of helps (though not much, admittedly) is that although one does offend people, get things wrong, etc. etc., it's rarely in the way one thinks. Everyone but me has probably forgotten the things that seem embarrassing or shameful to me; whereas I expect I remain oblivious to the things that I should really regret! Swings and roundabouts?
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« Reply #612 on: 23:15:26, 21-01-2008 » |
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Nope, Tommo, you are not alone. That business of all the stupidities, embarrassments, small unkindnesses, failures to help when you could have, misunderstandings, acts of selfishness... all parading past one by one to be re-experienced and re-regretted is very, very familiar. You've described it perfectly.
And nope, I'm afraid I haven't found any way of stopping the endless parade. It's Richard III Act 5 Scene 5 most nights.
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« Reply #613 on: 23:17:13, 21-01-2008 » |
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Does anyone else get crippled by guilt? Even by the smallest things from your past? Has anyone learned how to let go if there's no one to apologise to? I certainly wouldn't say you're alone, Tommo. Crippled would be putting it a bit strongly but certainly some of my most troublingly persistent memories are of stupid things said or done that make me cringe even (especially?) at this distance. I tell myself the other parties have certainly forgotten them. (They must have, since I can't really remember all that many corresponding things happening to me and I'm sure I'm not a uniquely objectionable person.) But it doesn't really help... I'm sure it's perfectly normal. But it's no fun. Have a beer and a manly slap on the back.
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« Reply #614 on: 23:29:39, 21-01-2008 » |
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Chaps, thank you Three of you in such a short space of time does help me realise that being consumed by guilt (maybe crippled is a bit far, Ollie, you're right) is thankfully not something confined to me. Which does really help to share the burden. (And I promise I won't feel guilty about being glad other people have the problem too. I actually feel OK about discovering I have shared experiences with others, even if I wouldn't wish them on anyone.) I tell myself the other parties have certainly forgotten them. (They must have, since I can't really remember all that many corresponding things happening to me and I'm sure I'm not a uniquely objectionable person.) But it doesn't really help...
I'll try to bear this in mind, although my little demon is saying that in my case it just means all the people I meet are nicer than I am. In case it doesn't work, thanks for the manly slap and beer. Best wishes all Tommo
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