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Author Topic: Meeting Life's Challenges & Upsets  (Read 26265 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #975 on: 11:49:25, 01-08-2008 »

the judgement to know when we've "done enough for now,"



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« Reply #976 on: 11:51:07, 01-08-2008 »

 Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #977 on: 11:59:57, 01-08-2008 »

t-p,

 Kiss

What you say strikes a chord with me, too.  I try to do too much all at once - or I do nothing because I can't do everything at once - and then wonder why I get frustrated or feel lost.  I have to remind myself to be patient with myself as much as with others.

Good to see you back here - I hope you're well.
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« Reply #978 on: 12:44:32, 01-08-2008 »

I'm so upset.  I did hope they'd manage to refloat the bottle-nose whale that has beached itself.  They're going to euthanise it after all.  Unsaveable.  Cry
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« Reply #979 on: 12:59:33, 01-08-2008 »

It's not just scholars/researchers who feel that way, Ian!  I'm sure as a performer you recognise the feeling of your musical ideas developing and refining even as you might be reaching what you originally thought they were.  The more music I play, the "better" I get at it, the higher my standards for myself get.  On bad days it can actually feel like I'm getting worse, because the gap between what I can do and what I want to do gets wider.

On good days, though, that feeling that there's always more to learn is very exciting - we're never "done."  Developing the judgement to know when we've "done enough for now," or "done enough to stand firm by our opinion (but without become so rigid we can't accept that it may change in the future should new evidence come to light)," is the tricky part.
I absolutely know what you mean, strina, and it's why two concepts concerning performance really irk me - one being the idea of the 'definitive performance', the other the idea of something simply becoming 'repertoire' (i.e. so it can just be taken out of the bag and reproduced whenever needed). Both concepts deny the possibility that there is always more to consider, more to appreciate, in a work (in a good one, at least) than can ever be encompassed in one performance or series of performances - and sometimes this might involve jettisoning or negating aspects of performance that have become relatively ingrained either for oneself or more collectively within a field of performance practice. Every performance (and every composition) is really a case of having 'done enough for now' (well, one can also not have done enough, of course); it's about arriving at a 'stopping point' prior to actually performing something, rather than a definitive conclusion.

The same is true for scholarship - in any area of interest, it's highly unlikely that any work will provide definitive closure on that whole field of enquiry. My own current research also takes me into the field of the Third Reich, the most written-about and studied period in history (a 2000 bibliography listed 37 000 books on the subject, and there have been many more since then), yet one about which we by no means know 'everything there is to know'. Music in the Third Reich has only developed a sustained body of enquiry since the 1980s (with the publication of Fred Prieberg's important Musik im NS-Staat), since when there have been less than 10 important books in English and German, and various articles. Mostly these make use of the Reichskulturkammer files which are in an archive in Berlin (they were referred to in the film/play Taking Sides - a series of files the Nazis kept on lots of prominent musicians). My area of study is different; I'm looking at composers who hit adulthood at or near the end of the war, so were not yet established as public figures. And as such I'm trying to find out more about each of their childhoods, about the places where they grew up and studied (and how the latter were Nazified), about their membership of otherwise of the Hitler Youth, which was compulsory at the time (but there are no major archives on membership), and generally how their lives interacted with the events of the time and how the latter might have impinged upon their consciousness. Some have talked about this, some haven't; and where they have, the events need verifying. I found an obscure essay by one composer where he referred in passing to being involved with a particular operation in the last years of the war (you'll appreciate I don't want to give too many details away whilst I'm still researching these things) in Eastern Europe; this particular operation remains little known-about; the first comprehensive study only appeared two years ago. From that, attempting to establish the nature of his involvement with this operation is a big task. And my enquiries have led me into studying more about the T4-Euthanasia program, the relationship between the NSDAP and the Catholic Churches, the role of education and science (as well as of course culture) in the Reich, and much much more (and then everything to do with the occupation period, archives for which are distributed amongst the home countries of the four occupying powers as well as Germany - the French occupation in particular is hard to study as the archives remain closed (typical French high governmental secrecy)) - all of which have been studied at great length by a variety of scholars, who arrive at varying conclusions between which I have to mediate. And in most cases I realise there is more left to find out that's specifically relevant to my area, requiring more archival study (which is costly and time-consuming, though very important). Fascinating stuff, but knowing at which point to say I've researched various things enough (this particular dimension will ultimately only encompass a small section of my work) and to leave it at that?

t-p, thanks for your thoughts. In terms of asking colleagues, there are only two or three other musicologists in this country who would really be in a position to answer some of my questions - the situation is different with respect to historians (some of whom have been very helpful), but their focus and priorities are generally quite.different. There are a few others elsewhere (most obviously in Germany) whose help I can solicit; it's not always easy getting this help 'cold', if I don't already know them (in some cases I do, and they've been helpful), and when academics inevitably guard their own work rather jealously at times. In terms of 'finding out too much information', I'm not sure that we necessarily do know more now than in previous times, though it's possible to access certain things quicker via the internet. But this leads to a certain 'Google mentality' involving lots of snippets from here and there with few of them really processed in any depth.
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« Reply #980 on: 13:16:56, 01-08-2008 »

A friend of my son died last week, while home on leave after several months in Afghanistan. No suspicious circumstances; a natural cause of death we expect, though unusual for a 21 year-old.

The whole community is upset, everyone aged 20-23 who attended the senior school knew or knew of him, looked to him as a hero, one of the few around here strong enough, in physic and character, to actually become a commando in the army, and he was one of the best looking lads around.

I feel for the family - though I have not known them personally my wife knows the lad's mother. The community grief is so great, and well, with the army keen to respect and honour one of their finest, the funeral on Monday will take place at the finest place appropriate, Coventry Cathedral. I can't imagine how the family feel, that their son's funeral has taken on such a high profile, the honour is staggering. If it were me entering the cathedral on Monday I know I would be in an unconrtollable flood of tears.

Indeed, I expect my own son to be immensely moved when he attends on Monday, a highly emotional occasion for a school reunion, when he thinks that a boy with whom he played football as a teenager, is now receiving the greatest posthumous honour, in the city cathedral.


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« Reply #981 on: 14:07:59, 01-08-2008 »

Very sorry to read this, John.
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« Reply #982 on: 15:25:11, 01-08-2008 »

JOhn W, Sorry to hear that.

Ian, to collect and research material for the book is really an enormous task. With papers one could present it at some conference to test the water. I have seen people being told that such and such already proved that result etc.
And of course I know how one guards his ideas. To collect material for the book is a huge undertaking. It has to be well researched and probably most people take longer to  write the book than they thought. May be it is more important to take time to absorb the material and not to rush yourself. However, I know pressures of academic life and I know that at times one has a pressure to write faster.
There are people here who successfully finished their books. One day you will finish your book and we will have a party here. Every project is a learning experience. After all there is an end to information or perhaps you will modify your idea about the book.
Little by little, one step at a time information is going to be collected, but the process is not without pain. Some times enthusiasm is good at the beginning, then comes the next stage with some realization and little by little the project comes to the end. some materials will not be useful and you will not read it.
I think to write a book is also rewarding. It will change you, discipline your mind even more.
People say one has to keep one's eyes on their dream and focus on it, and keep going even if at times the task looks too big.
Sorry even for trying to write. My experience of academic life is a second hand experience and in completely different area.  I am not on the level. All I can do is to try to encourage you to keep on going. You have intellectual abilities which I don't have. 

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« Reply #983 on: 17:22:59, 01-08-2008 »

T-p, to be fair, I am already well aware of all that, as is any academic.
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« Reply #984 on: 12:58:39, 02-08-2008 »

Tinners, you can fit your Proms programmes into a DRAWER?  Gosh, and here am I needing a bigger flat  Grin


Any minute now, George will be along to tell us about his Snorebans loft.  Wink

I hardly ever keep concert programmes of any description, a fact I have often regretted. But that hasn't stopped the most incredible pile up of music-related 'stuff' in my house, a lot of which has stayed in cardboard boxes since moving 13 years ago.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #985 on: 13:04:06, 02-08-2008 »

Loft?




"The epitaph for our generation shall be 'They left no loft unconverted'."
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« Reply #986 on: 13:05:20, 02-08-2008 »

And going back to John W's message yesterday, just to say how sorry I am for everyone involved.
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« Reply #987 on: 13:05:46, 02-08-2008 »

Regrettably the Butterfield Chapel at my school was not big enough to seat the entire school, and once the new building was built in the late seventies we had assembly for the entire school in the hall there, which was basically nonconformist worship, and not liturgical Anglicanism at all.

My North London prep school, for all its ability at getting boys into good public schools, was a truly appalling place.  It had a formal link with the Shrine of Our Lady at Walsingham ... so, by gum, did we have ritual.  I remember one occasion when my grandmother - a black-souled Northern Nonconformist - visited the school chapel and passed a comment in that booming voice that elderly relatives reserve for sensitive occasions about the quantity and quality of the statuary.  I wanted the floor to open.

What I remember most was that it was an incredibly violent place - discipline maintained by teachers who kept order by the arbitrary use of corporal punishment, accompanied by a rampant culture of bullying that went completely unchecked.  And of course there was a lot of muscular Christianity, including (and it seems incredible as I write this but it is absolutely true) boxing as part of the PE syllabus (such as it was) from the age of six. All this existing alongside an atmosphere of hot, sweet piety; and not a little anti-Semitism - again, it seems incredible to write this in this day and age, but I certainly recall hearing a priest teacher suggesting that the Holocaust might be retribution for the Crucifixion.

When I got to my big school I realised school life was about education and not avoiding bullying the whole time.  The fact that at my big school the masters wore gowns gave me the clear message that this was a grown up institution.

Very much my experience - discovering teachers who were enthusiasts for their subjects and did not regard intellectual curiosity as a form of Original Sin.  Although one of my history teachers did tell me that the main reason why he wore a gown was to keep the chalk dust off his clothes.

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« Reply #988 on: 13:13:50, 02-08-2008 »

A gentle nudge. A new thread 'The Happiest days of your life -School Memories' has been created, since a member contacted the Mods feeling that this thread had veered rather off-topic from the original purpose of being a safe space for people to bring problems to.

Feel free to post away with school reminiscences there. As you were Smiley

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« Reply #989 on: 13:18:01, 02-08-2008 »

Thanks, mort.  I've just quoted pw over there.
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