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Author Topic: David Munrow in the Archive Hour on Radio 4  (Read 1454 times)
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« on: 10:41:41, 20-07-2007 »

Saturday 21 July 2007 20:00-21:00 (Radio 4 FM)

Mr Munrow, His Study

The Royal Academy of Music now owns the ancient music, books and papers from the study of the late David Munrow. Jeremy Summerly explores this unique archive to shed new light on a brilliant musician, a gifted composer and talented broadcaster.

Contributors include Ken Russell, Shirley Collins and James Bowman.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archivehour/pip/mv79m/

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« Reply #1 on: 12:26:25, 21-07-2007 »

Thanks for the 'heads-up', Pim.     Of course, the David Munrow programme on R4 clashes with The Prom on R3 but I can record it, separately, or listen to the Prom repeat next week.  It must now be all of 30 years since Munrow's sad demise.
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« Reply #2 on: 21:19:40, 21-07-2007 »

I was just about to post the details of this programme for anyone who missed it for them to find it on Listen Again but I see you'd already posted about it pim.  Smiley

Made me a bit  Cry as they recalled hearing the devastating news of his suicide but what a life to celebrate; he was such a wonderful man. As a teenager I was inspired by his radio and television programmes and was greatly shocked at his early death.

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« Reply #3 on: 10:28:57, 22-07-2007 »

I wasn't aware of David Munrow of his music until many years after his death, so this programme didn't really have any sense of nostalgia for me but I really enjoyed the manner of the presentation and the warm, joyous celebration of his work by people who obviously cared a lot. One of the finest hours of radio I have ever listened to, I think  Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: 13:07:06, 22-07-2007 »

 Yes, IRF, I've just listened to last night's Archive Hour and, as you say, it was "a warm, joyous celebration of his work".  The next stage is to go from MD to CD-R as this programme is worth preserving.   I also recall an earlier LP set "The Art of David Munrow" and many requests to borrow it as reel-to-reel tape and technical progress in audio cassette recording were beginning to make progress by the mid 70's.   Of course, the surface noise on the vinyl recording became more evident after frequent use on different record players.   My but we do live in changing times!
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« Reply #5 on: 08:36:49, 23-07-2007 »

>> The Royal Academy of Music now owns the ancient music, books and papers <<

I wonder where his immense collection of musical instruments ended-up?  Divided amongst friends and followers?  Or collected somewhere?   Instruments are made to be played, not stuck in museums,  so I hope somehow they are getting an airing now and then?

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« Reply #6 on: 08:47:14, 23-07-2007 »

I've just written to http://www.davidmunrow.org so we'll see if anyone there knows...
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« Reply #7 on: 09:35:01, 23-07-2007 »

I also recall an earlier LP set "The Art of David Munrow" and many requests to borrow it as reel-to-reel tape and technical progress in audio cassette recording were beginning to make progress by the mid 70's.   Of course, the surface noise on the vinyl recording became more evident after frequent use on different record players.

I must dig out my copy of The Art of David Munrow, which I have as a boxed set of three cassettes. I find, though, that cassettes age the least well of all types of recording matter so I hope mine are still playable. I remember the set has many gems, as one would expect, including a song about a cricket, another about smoking and a fine version of "Oh ruddier than the cherry".
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« Reply #8 on: 09:47:16, 23-07-2007 »

This prompt and helpful response from David Griffith:

"...Many of Munrow's well-travelled instruments were sold by The Early 
Music Shop, with a certificate of authenticity, back in the 1980s I 
believe. The ethnic ones were kept intact and offered to museums and 
music colleges. I'm away from home at present but will try and 
unearth the specifics."
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« Reply #9 on: 20:04:11, 23-07-2007 »

Ta for that, Ollie Smiley

I was in St Petersburg over the weekend, and made a little pilgrimage to the Museum of Musical Instruments.  Although, of course, it is marvellous that the instruments are cared for,  I found it rather sad looking at all those marvellous viola-da-gambas lined up in rows, with strings missing, bridges down, and looking most forlorn.  It would be much better if - in controlled conditions in which their preservation was assured - they were played?

There were some lovely recorders, some magnificent basset-horns, a contrabass sarrussophone, whole cases full of shawms and zurnas... all languishing unplayed Sad

My viola teacher Natasha has a theory that "string instruments sulk if they're not played.  They need the regular use and beautiful vibrations running through them, to keep them sounding sweet and beautiful".

I am glad to hear that Munrow's instruments went to people who wanted to play them Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: 22:39:07, 23-07-2007 »

Of course, the David Munrow programme on R4 clashes with The Prom on R3 but I can record it, separately, or listen to the Prom repeat next week.

I record the Archive Hour almost every week, Stanley. I don't keep all episodes but I save at least one broadcast each month.

My private audio collection is becoming more interesting day by day. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: 23:00:45, 23-07-2007 »

It would be much better if - in controlled conditions in which their preservation was assured - they were played?
That's a really difficult question of course... most of the time those instruments have survived without certain original pieces which are absolutely necessary for them to work. Do you get new replacements for them which means bits of them are then inauthentic, or do you preserve them as they are so when necessary people can take measurements etc. (to make replicas for example) and know that everything they're looking at is the way it was? (Happens in the visual arts anyway - not too many historical paintings are still comprised exclusively of historical paint.)

Of course winds and strings are rather different in that regard: wind instruments do deteriorate as you play them, the constant moisture exchange affects the wood, changes the shape of toneholes, the breath eventually wears away the labium of recorders... even just regulating the mechanism of a keyed wind instrument changes things like pad clearance which are vital things for replica builders to know because they affect the intonation and the way the instrument speaks... for me I think replicas are more productive to play on, you don't have to worry about what you're doing eventually reducing (in a small way of course) the sum of available historical evidence!

(Still, it's great to play on a real old instrument sometimes - I'm afraid while I was in Avignon I fell victim to the charms of a Lefèvre 13-key Eb clarinet from around 1830... here it is again in case you missed the picture! Original wooden mouthpiece which I have to be careful not to clean out too vigorously, original ivory rings... oh dear, silly me. Indeed somehow it sings like no replica I've ever played. Bother.)

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« Reply #12 on: 23:34:58, 23-07-2007 »

Fair point about the wind instruments!  However, the string instruments seemed to cry-out to be played.  Many of them had in fact already been quite severely mucked-about with in the past anyhow...   there was a cello which had been converted out of a baryton, a viola reworked out of a viola d'amore, and a few other less clear hybrids.

I was personally excited by a great-bass recorder,  although it turned out to be a copy once the catalogue was referred to Wink

I wonder what one would play on the contrabass sarussophone anyhow? Wink

There was a lovely tenor trombone from the 1760s with a "dragon's-head" bell...   I took some pictures, and if I get organised this week I will try to stick them up on the web somewhere.
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« Reply #13 on: 23:39:12, 23-07-2007 »

Tutz in Innsbruck makes a bass chalumeau with a dragon's head bell...



Contrabass sarrusophone? Apart from the orchestral repertoire written with it in mind (which is a heck of a lot of French gear)? Scelsi Maknongan maybe... I've no idea what I'm going to play on this Eb!
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« Reply #14 on: 23:18:15, 28-07-2007 »

Following a request, I've trimmed this thread and moved the rest of the discussion to the 'Authenticity....' thread in the Making Music section.

So on this thread you can get back to talking about David Munrow.

I have a very neglected LP of Munrow's where he introduces a host of crumhorns and the like to the listener, many fine tracks of early music interspersed with explanations in very quiet whispers.... a 'technique' of musical presentation recently revived by Sting when he included readings of John Dowland between his own interpretations of the man's music.
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