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Author Topic: Karlheinz Stockhausen  (Read 20523 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #330 on: 15:37:56, 24-06-2007 »

some of Roger Smalley's performances of these things stashed away somewhere. Whatever became of him we wonder?
Roger is alive and well and composing and living in Perth (Western Australia).
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Baziron
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« Reply #331 on: 15:40:57, 24-06-2007 »

...We also wonder if, in light of the sequence in which Member Grew has been presenting his thoughts on these works of Stockhausen, we will next be treated to a long exposition on Klavierstück VI, the longest of all the earlier such pieces?

I'm not a betting man, but I should assume the odds are likely to be stacked against this (at least as far as a "long exposition" is concerned).

Baz
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Baziron
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« Reply #332 on: 15:45:13, 24-06-2007 »

...Is number six an especially good one? Perhaps the Member would be good enough to warn us off anything aleatoric...

I fear I must ask The Doctor for his advice: what can he possibly mean by "aleatoric" (has he perhaps "made up" the word?)?

Baz

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Baziron
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« Reply #333 on: 15:54:45, 24-06-2007 »

To-day we turn our attention to the Seventh of Heinz Stockhausen's Eleven Curious Little Piano Pieces. This one came into being in 1955 and lasts six minutes forty seconds; but may we from the outset warn Members that the work is a frightful failure! Let us here examine the reasons.

For the first minute and a half we hear a kind of perverted passacaglia - a single C sharp is slowly repeated about fifteen times, and after each repetition there is a kind of flourish of single notes from all parts of the keyboard - but only about five chords; "Oh dear!" we cannot help thinking, "it's another of  those self-styled 'composers' with absolutely no sense of harmony!" (It is also something like Sylvestreff is it not? but he came ten years later.)

There are two things wrong with this section: 1) instead of the single note repeated fifteen times we should have an interesting motif or passage repeated fifteen times. One of the first laws of æsthetics is the old rule which governs repetition; if something is going to be repeated, that is, it should be something which tasks the sensitive man's power of recognition to its limit - it must fill and almost overtax the mind, in such a way that the  recognition of its return will be quite difficult of achievement and nevertheless once accomplished all the more pleasurable precisely because it is complex and full of interest. In other words, it is just an insult to the listener to repeat something that is too simple, and easy to remember. As always, we may ask "What would Brahms have done?"

The second defect of Stockhausen's plan is that the decorative flourishes or rather flurries seem designed to be as confusing and instantly forgettable as possible. They contain no melody, no harmony, no counterpoint, no rhythm, no aim, and no Art; for the most part they are isolated notes which jump all over the range of the keyboard in the most confusing way possible. Few composers set out with the intention of writing pieces which the auditor will find as confusing unmemorable and unmusical as possible, but this was clearly the case here.

By the bye, apart from the idea of a dud passacaglia, Members might consider and compare Sibelius's well-known oboe melody on one note from the trio of his Second Symphony. What a world of difference is there!

Eventually the repetitions cease but the piece continues; the "composer" finds another way in which to bewilder his auditors. We can in fact imagine him thinking "What can I do next to annoy them?"

Well what follows is a minute of entirely nondescript music, except that at two minutes ten seconds we are almost certain that we hear again a hint of that old German nursery tune!

Then between the two minutes thirty seconds mark and the three minute mark all we hear is two single notes (a low B flat and a low C sharp) repeated many times one after the other bare of any accompaniment or sense of rhythm. It is entirely absurd of course; has the "composer" ever attempted to explain any of this we wonder? We doubt he could.

Next, between three minutes and four minutes, we must endure a passage very similar to the first, except that this time the single passacaglia note is an A instead of a C sharp.

There is no point in describing how the rest of it goes - it is very much the same and Members may imagine. Perhaps the work's only achievement in the end is that it is all of a piece. But its "composition" cannot have taken longer than half an hour. It must be the most unpleasant piano piece we have ever heard!

Perhaps Stockhausen imagined himself in an U-Boot in the North Atlantic. The repeated notes represent the Royal Navy SONAR, and the fast flourishes fish large and small flashing by. It's an idea, isn't it?


Golly - that must have been a real nightmare for The Doctor (almost as bad as piles?). His analysis is so penetrating and illuminating that I only have one single point of ambiguity for him to clarify for me: what is a "U-boot"?

Baz

...SORRY! I meant to ask 'What is aN "U-boot"'

Baz
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« Reply #334 on: 16:02:19, 24-06-2007 »

...Is number six an especially good one? Perhaps the Member would be good enough to warn us off anything aleatoric...

I fear I must ask The Doctor for his advice: what can he possibly mean by "aleatoric" (has he perhaps "made up" the word?)?

Baz


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleatoric_music
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« Reply #335 on: 16:20:36, 24-06-2007 »


Many thanks for this link, c-d! Smiley

What an interesting figure Werner Meyer-Eppler was.

Here's another interesting thing:

"In 1912 Grainger began work on a piece called Random Round. Although one of his least known works, it certainly ranks among his more important. Random Round is divided into several sections, each of which is begun when a Javanese gong is sounded. Within each section the thematic material is treated in ten to twenty variant forms and, to a harmonic ostinato strummed on a guitar, the vocalists and/or instrumentalists are at liberty to take any variant at any time, at any speed, and jump to another at will (but at the correct pitch). The variants are written so that some sort of harmonic whole might emerge from a performance. Throughout is life Grainger changed his ideas about instrumentation for this piece but the general idea remained the same. Although Random Round was almost totally neglected by the musical world, it is an important early instance of aleatory composition, planned in the same year in which John Cage was born and long before the advent of Berio and Stockhausen."

John Bird, Percy Grainger, with a prefatory note by Benjamin Britten and Peter Pears, London, 1976.

There's also a note of appreciation by Leopold Stokowski in this book. It's Strange to think that it was published in 1976, the year in which Britten died. Stokowski, who was much older than Britten, died in 1977.
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Baziron
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« Reply #336 on: 16:32:54, 24-06-2007 »

...Is number six an especially good one? Perhaps the Member would be good enough to warn us off anything aleatoric...

I fear I must ask The Doctor for his advice: what can he possibly mean by "aleatoric" (has he perhaps "made up" the word?)?

Baz


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleatoric_music
Thanks CD, BUT...

I do (of course!) know this term. My rhetorical astonishment was that The Doctor should a) know of the term's existence, and b) actually be using itHuh Huh Huh Huh Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Baz
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« Reply #337 on: 17:42:42, 24-06-2007 »

some of Roger Smalley's performances of these things stashed away somewhere. Whatever became of him we wonder?
Roger is alive and well and composing and living in Perth (Western Australia).

Last time I bumped in to Roger was at dear Brian Dennis's memorial concert at Royal Holloway. This was somewhat ironic, since the last time we met prior to that was at his own Memorial Concert at the newly deconsecrated St. John's, Smith Square in April 1970.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #338 on: 17:56:43, 24-06-2007 »

I meant to ask 'What is an "U-boot"'

The Member needs to have a little German.
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« Reply #339 on: 18:09:19, 24-06-2007 »

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« Reply #340 on: 18:14:04, 24-06-2007 »

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #341 on: 18:15:04, 24-06-2007 »

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The Member needs to have a little German.

On that subject, this member, whilst having a break from his own German revision, has been having some fun attempting to himself to sing the Deutsche Fassung von Holzfäller (Lumberjack Song). Das Ganztext kann hier gefunden werden. Versuchen Sie dieses zu singen!:

Ich bin ein Holzfäller und fühl mich stark
Ich schlaf des Nachts und hack am Tag

Er ist ein Holzfäller und fühlt sich stark
Er schlaft des Nachts und hackt am Tag

Ich fälle Bäume, ich ess mein Brot
Ich geh auf das WC
Am Mittwoch geh ich shopping
Kau kekse zum kaffee
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Ich fälle Bäume, trag Stockelschuh
Und Strumpf und Bustenhalter
Wär gern ein kleines Mädchen
So wie mein Onkel Walter

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« Reply #342 on: 18:18:28, 24-06-2007 »

And another ?, Bryn...

Do you mean Brian Dennis above, or a celebrated horn player gone Hungarian?
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« Reply #343 on: 18:23:49, 24-06-2007 »

Thank you Ron. Duly corrected.
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Baziron
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« Reply #344 on: 19:40:22, 24-06-2007 »

I meant to ask 'What is an "U-boot"'

The Member needs to have a little German.


Oh spiffing! Thanks Doctor - that explains everything.

"You started it!"
"Vee did not shtart it!"
"Yes you did - you invaded Poland!"

Heil Doctor Fawlty!!!
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