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« Reply #720 on: 15:29:16, 19-07-2008 »

I should be there, but gonna have to skip the late night one so that I can get back down South that night.

Question for those planning to Prom this one - is this a "pitch up in the queue 10 mins beforehand" or a "camp overnight to stand a chance" job?
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« Reply #721 on: 02:56:52, 20-07-2008 »

I'd always assumed it was a function of how comfortable the seats were rather than national temperament. I defy anyone to play the Holywell Music Room, Oxford to even the most stolid Middle England audience and not get a standing ovation. Well the standing bit anyway. There may or not be much ovating. 
Yet even after the recent Stimmung at Aldeburgh, people stayed in their seats....and they ain't comfy ones....

I'd love to be at the Stockhausen day, particularly because I'd like the opportunity to hear a second and different live performance of Stimmung so close to that, but I'm going to be sat on a coach on an Autobahn.  With no standing ovation. Sad
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« Reply #722 on: 23:41:11, 31-07-2008 »

Moving right along...

who is planning to go to the Stockhausen day at the Proms?

Possibly - it depends on squaring one or two domestic demands.

Which I haven't been able to do.  So I shall be there in spirit only, hoping that the R3 internet stream does it some sort of justice.
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« Reply #723 on: 00:10:22, 01-08-2008 »

I was really hoping to get along to both of Saturday's Proms, but am sadly so snowed under with a variety of things at the moment that I'll miss it. Sad

Hope to tune in, though, and hope the FM reception is up to it. Undecided
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« Reply #724 on: 18:18:03, 02-08-2008 »

Hope to tune in, though, and hope the FM reception is up to it. Undecided

You were lucky, we dreamed of having FM reception ...

And so far, good old Virgin is in fine form: two significant dropouts in the first ten minutes of Gruppen ...  Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

Rapid exit to GORR
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« Reply #725 on: 21:43:21, 02-08-2008 »

Well, that performance of Kontakte was personally the best experience of Stockhausen I have had I think. I'd love to know what it sounded like in that great big hall. In the first piece, Cosmic Pulses, I rather simplistically picked up on the title to listen to the piece as if I was hearing the constant electrical hubbub of the universe being made audible. I was then really interested in the interval programme to hear Stockhausen say that as a composer he felt he was like a radar picking up the sounds of the universe and transcribing them (this a badly remembered precis). And by the time Kontakte came along after the interval, the same idea - one almost of hanging in space and having what was already present in that space (but that I could not hear) being translated into sound, like a microphone in being dipped into water to pick up the communications of whales - made for a really great connection with the piece for me.

Going on recent experience in the music message board world this will probably mean that for those who know the music much better than I do, it will have been one of the worst performances they have ever heard, Grin, but I must say tonight I was really able to tune in and drop out with it. Hurrah!
 
Also enjoyed Gruppen, I imagine that live it can be quite shattering.
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« Reply #726 on: 04:49:24, 03-08-2008 »

No reactyon from Member Barrett as yet who may have made yt to the gyg y guess.
Eloquently put Danyel. Y lyced Worby's observatyons that Gruppen ys really far-flung chamber musyc...and has tangentyal blues ynfluence etc yn some of the gestures. unusually pertynent comments these days.
Commyted peformance Y thought-and Contacte was stunnyngly well done-Hodge  and Currye should do more togethyr y thync. Some really yntegrated electronycs towards the 2nd byg clymactyc byt where yt gets quyte mellow.Byt boggled by thought of Hodge's dad showyng hym the score at age of 12.
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« Reply #727 on: 07:11:13, 03-08-2008 »

No reactyon from Member Barrett as yet who may have made yt to the gyg y guess.

He most certainly did so make it, though the poor old chap was seated, in the stalls, rather than standing up for himself in the Arena. I started of as an upstanding member of the audience, but for the second Gruppen, and for Stimmung, I took it lying down. Kontakte was the clear high point of the night's music-making, though Harmonies was not far behind, for me.
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« Reply #728 on: 08:28:03, 03-08-2008 »

Well, that performance of Kontakte was personally the best experience of Stockhausen I have had I think. I'd love to know what it sounded like in that great big hall. ...  Going on recent experience in the music message board world this will probably mean that for those who know the music much better than I do, it will have been one of the worst performances they have ever heard, Grin   

I'm going to risk it too, Daniel, and say that the performance of  Kontakte was fabulously good and, yes, it sounded pretty darn'd fine in the Albert Hall acoustic. That weird place is surprisingly kind to Stockhausen. Finding that Kontakte still packs a real punch in a good performance was possibly even the highlight for me but, like you, I'm more than ready to be gently told it was a disaster and the worst sort of insipid English blandness Cheesy.

[Oh great! Just seen that Bryn and Marbleflugel give it the thumbs up so we are in excellent company.]

The Albert Hall was even kind to Gruppen too, which I wasn't expecting. I've only heard it live once before, in the Barbican long ago, when it sounded much 'muddier' and 'solid' (from distant memory of the occasion, anyway). It may well have been the work of the three conductors but last night's peformances were clarity itself, I thought. Beautifully balanced and every strand clear. Like many others I took the opportunity to move to a different place in the hall for the repeat performance. I was expecting to get only a slightly different perspective but it was almost a different piece. FWIW I found the second performance even better than the first but I've no idea whether it really was or whether it was because I had moved.

Byt boggled by thought of Hodge's dad showyng hym the score at age of 12.

Crikey, yes! Shocked  Almost as cruel as the thing the father did with the lizard in Peeping Tom
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« Reply #729 on: 09:39:19, 03-08-2008 »

Just a few words as I'm about to embark on a headless-chicken day...

Bryn: I was consigned to the stalls by thinking that my poorly vertebrae wouldn't be able to take standing all that time without the kind of discomfort that would prevent me from listening properly, which would be a shame given the infrequency with which concerts like this come along.

Of course as always there are cavils here and there, but it would seem inappropriate to air them immediately in view of the fact that the two Stockhausen concerts taken together formed the most impressive musical event I have attended for a long time.

Gruppen - beautifully balanced, coordinated and played, and fascinating to have two performances. I found myself noticing many things for the first time, and my attention being drawn closely to details I had previously only been peripherally aware of. It's a great shame that the nature of the piece revents it from being performed more often.

Cosmic Pulses - I made some comments here about the CD, but the experience of it in its full multichannel sound in such a huge space was totally convincing. A radical and challenging musical statement.

Harmonien - I wasn't expecting to be so taken with this but I was pleasantly surprised at its melodic twisting and turning and looping. I wasn't surprised that Marco Blaauw played it so well though. Looking forward to hearing it again.

Kontakte - simply wonderful, as always.

Stimmung - the more I think about it in retrospect (having had a few things to say here about the recent CD by the same performers I think) the more I think that this performance captures the essence of the piece in a slightly unexpected but beautiful way.

That was indeed an evening to remember, and by which to remember a great composer. I'm being a bit wide-eyed and fulsome here but for me it was an example of what music can do, what I hope it can do, why I think I ought to try to do it.
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« Reply #730 on: 09:51:50, 03-08-2008 »

I'm being a bit wide-eyed and fulsome here but for me it was an example of what music can do, what I hope it can do, why I think I ought to try to do it.

Fulsome it may be, Richard, but so worth saying anyway. Really sorry to have missed this one.
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« Reply #731 on: 10:59:57, 03-08-2008 »

Fulsome it may be, Richard, but so worth saying anyway. Really sorry to have missed this one.

They did not put on the fish-torturing exhibition we take it. . . .
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« Reply #732 on: 12:16:20, 03-08-2008 »

Y lyced Worby's observatyons that Gruppen ys really far-flung chamber musyc.

hmmm... Stockhausen already said that about it in the 1950s didn't he?
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« Reply #733 on: 12:47:00, 03-08-2008 »

ynterstyng-Worby apparently met hym yn the 90s when he was selectyvely generous wyth hys tyme and explanaytons. are there archyve  recordyngs y wonder-y ymagyne that qualyty would have been more dyffycult to realyse yn the 50s wyth less regular repertoyre  precedents for that degree of antyphony.
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« Reply #734 on: 12:56:29, 03-08-2008 »

are there archyve  recordyngs y wonder-y ymagyne that qualyty would have been more dyffycult to realyse yn the 50s wyth less regular repertoyre  precedents for that degree of antyphony.

The CD of Gruppen published by Deutsche Grammophon and subsequently rereleased by the Stockhausen Verlag was made in 1965. It sounds as if each orchestra was mixed to a single tape track because there are basically three point sources. (I presume the first performance in 1958 would have been recorded by WDR but I've never heard of copies of it circulating.) This was the only commercial recording until Abbado's in 1996, which Stockhausen apparently disliked intensely. Eötvös' recording released a couple of years ago is by some distance the best so far I think.
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