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Author Topic: Ernst Krenek  (Read 555 times)
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« on: 22:44:13, 21-06-2007 »

I was a bit disappointed by William Mival's view on the "Alpbach" Quintet, Op.180 by Ernst Krenek, played on CD Review last Saturday. Unlike Mr Mival, I thought it was a very interesting piece. I like this kind of music. I was a bit surprised by Mr Mival's enthusiasm for the very conventional pieces by Zemlinksy and Korngold. He wasn't much impressed by Georg Tintner's chamber music: in my humble opinion it is more interesting than the things we've heard by Zemlinsky and Korngold.

Now back to Krenek: I don't know a lot about him and his music. I know Johnny spielt auf, naturally, but I can't say that I've heard many other pieces. I would like to hear more. Can the Loyal Members please give some advice? Many thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: 00:16:10, 22-06-2007 »

It's hard to recommend pieces by Krenek without knowing the preferences of the person I am speaking to. Krenek is often maligned for having been so incredibly prolific and working in every fashionable style during his long life (1900-1991). He simply wanted to stay on the cutting edge, so one can only admire his willingness to try new things.

As for the prolifix, I am reminded of a perhaps spurious anecdote: a cellist was performing a three-movement solo cello work of Kreneks, and the composer was in attendance. The performer had decided to swap the 2nd and 3rd movements for the performance. Afterwards, Krenek asked him about this, and the performer replied, "It made more sense that way, and considering that I spent more time practicing the piece than you did composing it, I feel justified in making those kinds of decisions." Krenek took it pretty well, I understand... but of course I'm paraphrasing, and it does sound a lot like Urban Legend. (no, not michael tilson thomas' parvum opus for contrabassoon and orch)

I am afraid I don't know his op. 180, but here is a sample of pieces from various periods that I recommend (in no particular order and with no particular agenda):

Reisebuch aus den österreichischen Alpen (text by the composer), op. 62
Inspired by and explicitly dedicated to Schubert (actually quite catchy)

Lamentatio Jeremiae prophetae, op. 93 (1941–2)
a cappella setting of the entire Lamentations text in the twelve-tone technique -- quite possibly the most remarkable a cappella choral work of the 20th century (I guess that isn't saying much).

Sestina for voice and ensemble, op. 181
a remarkable work in the serial idiom, where durations, pitches, and text are organized according to the same structural principles. Very hard to find a recording, unfortunately.

For a discussion of the structure of a sestina (a medieval poetic form) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sestina
It's essentially 12th-century serialism! Take that, modernism haters!

Parvula Corona Musicalis for string trio, op. 122
after JS Bach (recorded by the trio recherche on hatArt label, I think)

Karl V (opera on an original libretto) op. 73 which is pretty heavy, but I prefer it to Jonny spielt auf.

Of course he is most famous for Jonny spielt auf, but that piece has a lot more to do with the politics of including jazz than with jazz music itself.
Of his string quartets, I most warmly recommend the 5th and the 7th. The complete quartets were recorded by some people once... the Sonare Quartet on the MD&G label.

Krenek is better known in the United States than in Europe, since he lived here most of his life, and died in Palm Springs. We (Sydney Grew and I) intended to start a thread on Krenek, but now you have done it for us, thanks, pim_ !
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« Reply #2 on: 07:25:38, 22-06-2007 »

Try the first two symphonies to get an idea of how he started out; works of a young composer though they are, they've got quite a lot going for them already. I don't know why they're not more often performed, especially the second.

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« Reply #3 on: 10:42:31, 22-06-2007 »

It's hard to recommend pieces by Krenek without knowing the preferences of the person I am speaking to.

I am afraid I don't know his op. 180.

It's a serial piece, c-d, but with rather conventional rhythms and instrumentation. As I've said before: I like this kind of music.

Reisebuch aus den österreichischen Alpen (text by the composer), op. 62
Inspired by and explicitly dedicated to Schubert (actually quite catchy)

Lamentatio Jeremiae prophetae, op. 93 (1941–2)
a cappella setting of the entire Lamentations text in the twelve-tone technique -- quite possibly the most remarkable a cappella choral work of the 20th century (I guess that isn't saying much).

I've heard these pieces. They're beautiful! Strange that I didn't remember them yesterday evening. Undecided

Sestina for voice and ensemble, op. 181
a remarkable work in the serial idiom, where durations, pitches, and text are organized according to the same structural principles. Very hard to find a recording, unfortunately.

For a discussion of the structure of a sestina (a medieval poetic form) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sestina
It's essentially 12th-century serialism! Take that, modernism haters!

Parvula Corona Musicalis for string trio, op. 122
after JS Bach (recorded by the trio recherche on hatArt label, I think)

Karl V (opera on an original libretto) op. 73 which is pretty heavy, but I prefer it to Jonny spielt auf.

Of course he is most famous for Jonny spielt auf, but that piece has a lot more to do with the politics of including jazz than with jazz music itself.
Of his string quartets, I most warmly recommend the 5th and the 7th. The complete quartets were recorded by some people once... the Sonare Quartet on the MD&G label.

Thanks for the information, c-d. I'll try to get some recordings. Sestina must be a very interesting piece. I can't find a recording. I saw that Goffredo Petrassi wrote a piece called Sestina d'autunno. I remember some beautiful pieces by him too.
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« Reply #4 on: 15:44:10, 22-06-2007 »

quite possibly the most remarkable a cappella choral work of the 20th century (I guess that isn't saying much).

Bite your tongue!

Another thread is needed for this probably, but... still.  and that's not even allowing for the terribly irrational soft spot I have for Ernst Pepping's St. Matthew Passion.
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« Reply #5 on: 15:56:13, 22-06-2007 »

Ernst who? I will not join your thread.
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« Reply #6 on: 16:39:09, 22-06-2007 »

Ernst PEPPING, CD! I think I've gout a piese by him onna Nimbous CD ouf ourgan wourks by Schouenberg, Hindemith and ... PEPPING!
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« Reply #7 on: 16:57:11, 22-06-2007 »

My hearing must be going.. .Thanks t_1_n
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« Reply #8 on: 17:28:23, 22-06-2007 »

Ernst who? I will not join your thread.

Really? You don't want a thread about remarkable a cappella works by composers named Ernst?

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.  But I do like this piece - 70 minutes, double choir, unaccompanied - and have ever since I heard it on the radio (amazingly enough) late one night when I was in high school.  It's just one of those things.
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« Reply #9 on: 17:29:34, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink
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« Reply #10 on: 17:37:35, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink

Hans Werner Henze. In his, er, Hindemith period I mean.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: 17:38:26, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink

Daphne Himulti ?
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« Reply #12 on: 17:52:40, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink

Daphne Himulti ?
Sorry, harpster; wrong thread.
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« Reply #13 on: 20:18:29, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink

Difficult question, t-i-n.

Werner Egk was a second-rate Hindemith clone. But naming a first-rate Hindemith clone? Huh

I really don't know. Undecided

(sorry for interrupting)
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« Reply #14 on: 20:43:50, 22-06-2007 »

Pepping is sort of like a second-rate Hindemith clone.
Who's a first-rate Hindemith clone, then, Evan? Wink

Late Hindemith.  (rim shot)
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