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Author Topic: Rachmaninoff's Most Marvellous Moment  (Read 1507 times)
Sydney Grew
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« on: 09:27:37, 14-07-2007 »

Here it is - towards the end of the slow movement of the C minor Piano Concerto, written as long ago as 1901.


Something of his little school-mate Scryabine's spirituality seems to have rubbed off on Rachmaninoff here. Percipient Members will recognise our half-diminished seventh; it is there at the bottom of all the most beautiful passages of Western music. What pointed and poignant expression in that F sharp on the violins!

Can Members tell us other things about the music of Rachmaninoff?
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« Reply #1 on: 10:36:49, 14-07-2007 »

We share Member Grew's appreciation of the Rackmyaninnov passage cited and would like to add the following marvellous moments:



(everything about the above is marvellous, as is the rest of the piece)



Prelude in A major Op. 32 No. 9



From the slow movement of the Fourth Piano Concerto

But, may we ask Member Grew, what would Brahms have said?
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« Reply #2 on: 11:04:53, 14-07-2007 »

For my own part, though without the dots to support it, I'd like to nominate the end of the fifth movement 'Nyne otpushchaeshi' of the All Night Vigil (otherwise known as the Vespers) where the choral basses have a descending scalic phrase which terminates in a sub-stave B flat. Basses who can sing this low aren't exactly ten a penny (indeed it caused huge problems even at the first performance, where none of the in-house singers could reach it all) but nearly every recording of the work manages to find at least one or two, and most of the eastern European and Russian choirs field several. A stunning sound.

(I'd had a long resistance to Rachmaninov since my early teens, by the way. It was a chance hearing of the Vigil used in an orthodox service on Radio3 in 1990 without having any idea what it was that convinced me; I was out combing the shops for recordings the very next day.)   
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« Reply #3 on: 11:09:49, 14-07-2007 »

The prelude op. 23/3 in d minor begins with a half-diminished sonority. It had become a standard idea about 125 years earlier, however, to begin a piece with a sonority of the second scale degree, and here Rachmaninoff hews to the staid line for his theme. Not that the prelude doesn't take a few surprising turns later. Toward the end the passage over a d-pedal is nice. The harmonic model for the first thematic unit, with very few alterations, could have been found in Handel, though, I'd venture to bet.

The industrious collector will surely find the sound of the half-diminished seventh chord at least once in every of Paxmhnhob's preludes! But please don't post them here! There are 25 of them. If you must compile them, we'll be satisfied with measure numbers.

Remember that sonorities are never beautiful in and of themselves, only in a context. In Paxmahnhob, the context was often quite striking, perhaps even a a good textbook on the use of this harmonic device is thus to be culled, but none of it is truly original, except perhaps in the way it is integrated into new pianistic textures. It does no good to turn a sound into a fetish object, as both Grew and Paxmahnhob seem to do, the former more ardently than the latter, I'll venture.

I second Ron's enthusiasm for the Vigil.
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« Reply #4 on: 11:38:12, 14-07-2007 »

I rather like the First suite for 2 pianos, Op.5 - especially the Barcarolle - an extremely creepy piece (the second suite is not as inspired IMHO). 
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« Reply #5 on: 13:50:52, 14-07-2007 »

The piece which opened doors for me was the 2nd Trio Elegiaque - the long one in D minor - in particular the 1st and 3rd movements. Furthermore, I was lucky enough to be introduced to it via a pretty extraordinary recording (Kogan, Luzanov + Svetlanov). Geoffrey Norris was very dismissive of it in his Master Musicians book and also, rather surprisingly, on the sleeve of the LP itself (how did he get away with that ?). I don't get the impression that it's either particularly well-known or popular, although, hopefully there are Members who will contradict this.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:01:57, 14-07-2007 »

A recent broadcast brought back to me the beauty and sadness of the 3RD Symphony - although musically speaking he does not really say anything new the mood he creates here for me says everything about his exile from his homeland - im always greatly moved by this work and also the Symphonic Dances  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: 22:22:40, 14-07-2007 »


 Cry  Cry  Cry

(I'll probably be banned from R3ok for this!)
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« Reply #8 on: 23:02:22, 14-07-2007 »

# 7       No, MabelJane, I'm here to defend you all the way!   

            After tonight's tribute to BAFTA's 60th anniversary celebrations, at the Proms, a well known still from "Brief Encounter" is particularly apt.

Incidentally, as BBC 2 start a summer season of British films, I do hope that the BEEB will screen "Return to Carnforth" again.       A 15 minute feature returns to the restored, albeit fictitious Milford Junction (on the Leeds/Settle/Carlisle line.  The only surviving member of the cast, Margaret Stephens - the pert barmaid, Beryl- talks about the filming in 1945, and it is touching and a bit hilarious to hear from the footplate fireman who adored Celia Johnson.   She took the trouble to walk down and talk to the engine crew each night.  Discussing Trevor Howard, he looked to the left and the right before adding,  "Perhaps I shouldn't say this but.....I think he was a bit aloof."

Some time ago, I did a video/DVD transfer of the main feature, alongside the "Return to Carnforth" short and it is always popular with visitors.  It would be good to see both films cheek-by-jowl on BBC 2.
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« Reply #9 on: 23:14:45, 14-07-2007 »

Thanks Stanley, I must look out for that.
I wonder what Rachmaninoff would have thought of his music being used for Brief Encounter? I am amazed to learn that he died only 2 years before the film was released.
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« Reply #10 on: 15:44:52, 15-07-2007 »

  Thank you, MabelJane.         On a rainy morning, I spent a few happy hours browsing through the Noel Coward Diaries and Future Indefinite - the second part of his autobiography - trying to trace the source for the decision to use Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto in "Brief Encounter" (1945).   The film was adapted from Coward's pre-war "Tonight at 8.30" when the play was included as "Still Life."

    Richard Addinsell was among his huge circle of friends but there is no mention of the score in the Diaries or Autobiography.   The sound track featured Eileen Joyce, and the National S.O. (scratch recruitment?), conducted by the ubiquitous Muir Matheson.    Enjoyable, too, to read about the prevailing euphoria of all concerned as the end of the Second World War was clearly sight when  cast and crew assembled at Carnforth, in the cold winter which started 1945.

My final point of reference was Dame Celia's daughter, Kate Fleming's affectionate biography, "Celia Johnson", published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson in 1990  - as serialised on Woman's Hour says the cover.   This includes Celia's correspondence with her husband, (brother of writer Peter Fleming) based in India at the time.    During the location shooting, mainly late night and early morning, she opted to live in a hotel at Windermere and Celia was cock-a-hoop at the luxury of a fireplace, always burning in her bedroom, as well as the range of food available.

Later, Coward writes in his Diaries:     "Saw rough cut of Brief Encounter.   Delighted with it.   Celia quite wonderful; Trevor Howard fine and obviously a new star.   Whole thing beautifully played and directed  - and, let's face it, most beautifully written."               

In 1946, Republic Studios centred the Rach 2 in a most enjoyable piece of technicolour tosh,  "Concerto" with Artur Rubenstein at the keyboard.   As a wide-eyed schoolboy I thought it was a masterpiece!

I last saw Celia Johnson at Richmond Theatre (Surrey) in "The Understanding",  1982.     Sadly she died a few weeks later and, Ralph Richardson, her co-star, followed a year or so later.

I've photocopied your still from "Brief Encounter" as it will make an ideal cover for DVD transfers, along with "Return to Carnforth" and I'd be pleased to reciprocate by sending you a copy with my complements.    A private message to me will suffice.

Bws,       Stanley
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« Reply #11 on: 15:50:10, 15-07-2007 »

 #10         Correction.      Celia Johnson's husband was, of course, Peter Fleming, brother of writer IAN Fleming.
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« Reply #12 on: 16:01:59, 15-07-2007 »

Celia Johnson was great when she was smoking Wink

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« Reply #13 on: 18:01:59, 15-07-2007 »

  Thank you, MabelJane.................................................I've photocopied your still from "Brief Encounter" as it will make an ideal cover for DVD transfers, along with "Return to Carnforth" and I'd be pleased to reciprocate by sending you a copy with my complements.    A private message to me will suffice.

Bws,       Stanley

You're very kind, Stanley. I'll be writing you a message.
I've very much enjoyed reading your post. How wonderful to have seen Celia Johnson on stage.

MJ
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« Reply #14 on: 18:45:03, 15-07-2007 »

The coda of the 1st movement of the Symphonic Dances suggests to me a revived intimacy, then the  raising of a flirtatious smile after a lot of pain, which the quotation of the 1st symphony eariler might represent? and structurally its so understated. Genius

...have just read Stanley's recollections of B/E-fascinating and illustrative of how much collective feeling the film encapsulates. The deadpan, awful palm court trio is a lovely touch too - how if the couple werent so wearied by
experience they'd be able to hoot at it, and almost do...
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