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« Reply #120 on: 21:31:13, 02-08-2007 »

I tried Googling with "varese",  "slominsky", "ionisation" and "cd" as my search terms. Well, why not try it yourselves. Wink
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« Reply #121 on: 01:00:04, 03-08-2007 »

You certainly couldn't accuse them of not trying to cover the bases on that CD, hm?

Does the pitch waver as alarmingly on the CD as it did on that radio broadcast? I do hope not. Obviously for most of the piece it doesn't make a huge amount of difference but once the chimes came in I got a bit seasick...
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« Reply #122 on: 02:18:53, 03-08-2007 »

. . . the original recording of Ionisation which Slonimsky made in 1933 . . . I never thought I would have the opportunity to hear it!

Here is a photograph of the occasion, in Havana.

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« Reply #123 on: 10:31:00, 03-08-2007 »


I don't know about the Cuban musicians, but among the performers (I believe they played for free) were Copland, Cowell, Riegger, Creston, Salzedo

... all of which is detailed in the interview to which you yourself posted the link before  Roll Eyes Here it is again, folks, it's well worth a listen:

http://www.archive.org/details/OnVareseIonization

cheers Evan, that was a little embarassing, I had certainly listened partially to the program but missed the end having fallen asleep (it must have been about 1 or 2 in the morning) hence missing the end that had explained all my queries...

but it's certainly a great historical audio document.
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« Reply #124 on: 11:02:27, 03-08-2007 »

. . . the original recording of Ionisation which Slonimsky made in 1933 . . . I never thought I would have the opportunity to hear it!

Here is a photograph of the occasion, in Havana.


That's an extraordinary picture. I'm remembering our rehearsal and concert setup with instruments all over the stage. My first reaction on seeing the photo was 'that can't possibly be Ionisation, where are all the instruments' but bearing in mind how much smaller the instruments themselves were back then I'm not actually sure anything's missing.

(My 'grosse caisse très profonde' was about 5' wide...)
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« Reply #125 on: 11:36:31, 03-08-2007 »

I tried Googling with "varese",  "slominsky", "ionisation" and "cd" as my search terms.

We expect the results would be even more interesting did the Member know his nims from his mins.
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« Reply #126 on: 11:42:23, 03-08-2007 »

. . . how much smaller the instruments themselves were back then . . .

Here is Nicolas Slonimsky himself with a couple of the requisite bits and pieces.


We do not know their names; nor would Brahms have known would he. Like Shonkicowitch Slonimsky was a pupil of Shteynberg in St. Petersburg, but unlike Shonkicowitch he we expect paid attention to his lessons.

He lived for a hundred and one years.

How many symphonies he wrote if any we have as yet been unable to determine. He edited or wrote many worthwhile musical reference books, including a Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns; also Sex and the Music Librarian - at least that is what the estimable Mr. Lebrecht tells us, but the title is absent from Grove's list! His autobiography is entitled Perfect Pitch, and we imagine it would be a good read.

Mr. Lebrecht goes on to say that Slonimsky was able to beat a different time with each arm, and became the oldest musician ever to make a concert début in England.

We have available a three-page analysis of Ionisation, written by Slonimsky, which we can supply if any one is interested.
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« Reply #127 on: 11:49:27, 03-08-2007 »

...I suspect that would be the sonata-form analysis to which I alluded earlier; I have a copy already but it would probably be interesting to others. Slonimsky referred to it in his radio interview as something Varèse hadn't set out to do but that he accepted the piece could be heard that way. (Referring I presume to the sonata-form aspect rather than the cosmic-ray bombardment or the extra-terrestrial rhythms mentioned earlier, which fortunately don't crop up in the analysis I've seen.)

I have a feeling Slonimsky's best-known publication nowadays may well be his Lexicon of Musical Invective.
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« Reply #128 on: 12:31:09, 03-08-2007 »

http://www.slonimsky.net/

has some info of interest including a list of books. Perfect pitch is a good read, but Music since 1900 is endlessly fascinating - one hopes that Norm didn't omit to mention this. And yes, Slonimsky could beat in two tempi and used the trick when conducting Putnam's camp (Ives).

http://www.essentialmusic.com/russell/russell.html

reveals that William Russell had a percussion piece performed at the same concert as the Ionisation premiere. Not much known, died only a few years back. The Paul Price disc I referred to earlier also contained a couple of his pieces. This article also reckons that Henry Brant (wonderful composer !) was involved in the 1933 concert. Brant is still with us . . .
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« Reply #129 on: 12:35:53, 03-08-2007 »

*HELUIM* (high pitched clearly...)

We always need Helium Bryn...

http://www.strindbergandhelium.com/


... interesting , doc biroc,  I remember you showing me this some time ago. I stumbled across a dutch cartoonist, and the style of artwork is ominously similar:

http://www.gummbah.nl/pages/home.php



...don't know why, but some of the images don't load on completely ....


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« Reply #130 on: 12:46:35, 03-08-2007 »

I stumbled across a dutch cartoonist, and the style of artwork is ominously similar:

http://www.gummbah.nl/pages/home.php

Gummbah! Cool
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« Reply #131 on: 13:12:21, 03-08-2007 »

Remaining off-topic, some lesser-known Slonimsky, presented for the general amusement:

http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/365/2003/070.shtml
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« Reply #132 on: 13:15:58, 03-08-2007 »

Hi Pim,
...does she say something like... " ...hi, welcome Bent, but won't your tongue go back in, Jack..." ??

 Huh
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« Reply #133 on: 13:18:05, 03-08-2007 »

'jij bent' is more or less 'du bist', DC; I think the rest you can work out...
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« Reply #134 on: 10:58:35, 04-08-2007 »

More Slonimsky recordings - Ionisation , Ives + Ruggles

http://www.ubu.com/sound/slonimsky.html
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