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But, considering that Wilson himself was the one that nominated (successfully, naturally) the Beatles for MBEs in 1965, and they were seen very publicly with him after receiving them, could listening to their music really have had an 'anti-Wilson' connotation after then?
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'buying a Beatles '45 ...had little or nothing to do with the music on it ...it was about buying into a lifestyle which said "my parents are wrong and so is Mr Wilson and everyone over 22". You didn't have to listen to the records, you only had to buy them.
Hmm,well, I have no experience of this. I was a teenager in the 1960s and knew many people who bought Beatles 45s and LPs,but they did so simply because they wanted to listen to the music.
As I recall,one's choice of listening did not form part of the rebellion against the parent generation.That was done by clothes and the hours and friends one chose to keep.
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But, considering that Wilson himself was the one that nominated (successfully, naturally) the Beatles for MBEs in 1965, and they were seen very publicly with him after receiving them, could listening to their music really have had an 'anti-Wilson' connotation after then? When they gave them back a couple of years later, maybe? It's a bit like Beethoven and Napoleon, isn't it?  |
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But, considering that Wilson himself was the one that nominated (successfully, naturally) the Beatles for MBEs in 1965, and they were seen very publicly with him after receiving them, could listening to their music really have had an 'anti-Wilson' connotation after then? When they gave them back a couple of years later, maybe? That was only Lennon that did so, I think, and not until 1969, near the end of the period of the Beatles' heyday.  |
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« Reply #64 on: 12:53:05, 30-08-2007 » |
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There is a small prize for the first person to mention Marshall McLuhan in this thread.
Congratulations Reiner. What would you like as your small prize?  Oooooh, I would like you to wave your magical Moderator's wand, and make.... wow, you beat me to it, they've already gone! Thank you, Magic Moderator  You are fab and groovy, man! |
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« Reply #65 on: 13:00:13, 30-08-2007 » |
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I'm resisting the temptation to look up the name that you mention....
Regarding the Beatles' MBE's I believe they were not for reasons musical, but for services to exports or something???
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"For services to the export industry" I believe.
The grounds that John Lennon gave for returning his several years later were the government's policies on Biafra, Vietnam and Cold Turkey slipping down the charts.
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« Reply #67 on: 13:07:31, 30-08-2007 » |
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Pray, what was the government's policy on a low-temperature avian creature 'slipping down the charts' (whatever that means)?
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Pray, what was the government's policy on a low-temperature avian creature 'slipping down the charts' (whatever that means)?
The government stood by and did nothing whatsoever to prevent it: a sin of omission rather than commission but a venial sin nonetheless. If memory serves much the same "slipping down the charts" happened to the pound at around the same time although, credit where credit is due*, they did at least try to prevent it in that case. [Note:* Believed to be the IMF] |
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« Reply #69 on: 13:40:27, 30-08-2007 » |
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I have a story similar to Reiner's. In the early 1960s my grandparents collected the wrappers from Stork margarine so that they could send off for a free record - a 45 with the song Let's Go Fly a Kite from Mary Poppins. They went to all that trouble even though they didn't have a record player. One day they came to visit my parents and me primarily to hear their record being played.
Reiner's story has made me see this episode in a whole new light. I now see that Let's Go Fly a Kite is a groovy, happening song and that my grandparents were swinging cats rebelling against the government of Sir Alec Douglas Home.
But seriously (that story is true by the way) I think smittims is right in mentioning other ways in which young people asserted their identity. The way I remember it (and I was at primary school at the time), long hair was the thing that annoyed older people more than anything. How they used to complain that it was getting hard to tell boys and girls apart.
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« Reply #70 on: 13:50:27, 30-08-2007 » |
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the government of Sir Alec Douglas Home. Not wishing to undermine your principal points here and still less to digress unduly from the thread topic, isn't that phrase the very kind of thing that makes oxymorons oxymoronic? Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #71 on: 13:58:01, 30-08-2007 » |
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other ways in which young people asserted their identity. The way I remember it (and I was at primary school at the time), long hair was the thing that annoyed older people more than anything. How they used to complain that it was getting hard to tell boys and girls apart. Plus my parents and even at least one grandparent could often be heard humming Beatles tunes during my far-distant youth, and please believe me when I say I don't come from a family of subversives. |
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Well, I was at school in the horrible eighties and I remember long hair being a problem, then, too. The lengths the teachers used to go to to discourage it, when they should - by rights - have been more bothered about us passing our exams. I remember one of them telling us that employers wouldn't look at us if we had long hair. Red rag to a bull.....  |
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« Reply #73 on: 15:29:46, 30-08-2007 » |
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I remember one of them telling us that employers wouldn't look at us if we had long hair. Whereas a nice tweed jacket from Dunn & Co with leather patches on the elbows and a slightly-yellowing white shirt & tie would be sure to get you a job as a.... latin teacher? |
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