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« Reply #30 on: 22:43:39, 24-03-2008 »

A word to tihaen Wpiascee: Bite your tongue.  Wink
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« Reply #31 on: 22:47:27, 24-03-2008 »

I've never heard Marilyn Nonken play Barraqué, but I have her recordings of Feldman, Finnissy, etc. and she's an excellent pianist. I believe she's now playing with ELISION too?

I've got her recording of Feldman's Triadic Memories and it really is excellent, so much better than the Roger Woodward recording which I've also got - and which I can't listen to since I got the Nonken discs.

Discs? You mean you got the  CDs rather than the DVD?

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« Reply #32 on: 23:13:16, 24-03-2008 »

The Nonken Triadic Memories is very much in line with the sort of middle-of-the-road, Feldman-located-within-the-comfort-zone school of performance practice that has become fashionable in the last 10 years or so. To me, that (and numerous other Feldman recordings on all sorts of instruments) represent a certain appropriation of the music so as to be more amenable to background listening (various people I know who knew or worked extensively with Feldman, including Walter Zimmermann and Frank Denyer, have many thoughts on this subject). I've got a soft spot for the Woodward recording for all its idiosyncracies; overall would go for Tilbury or Hinterhäuser. I won't go into detail on the recording of Finnissy North American Spirituals now (I've actually written about that, and its reception, elsewhere - it's the one Finnissy recording I truly find offensive) other than to say that I've never known racism (the ostensible subject matter of the piece) made so delectable, so palatable, so exquisite, so well-conceived so as to tickle the fancy of the post-9/11 American middle classes with cultural aspirations. Alex Ross would be proud.
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« Reply #33 on: 01:14:42, 25-03-2008 »

The Nonken Triadic Memories is very much in line with the sort of middle-of-the-road, Feldman-located-within-the-comfort-zone school of performance practice that has become fashionable in the last 10 years or so. To me, that (and numerous other Feldman recordings on all sorts of instruments) represent a certain appropriation of the music so as to be more amenable to background listening (various people I know who knew or worked extensively with Feldman, including Walter Zimmermann and Frank Denyer, have many thoughts on this subject). I've got a soft spot for the Woodward recording for all its idiosyncracies; overall would go for Tilbury or Hinterhäuser. I won't go into detail on the recording of Finnissy North American Spirituals now (I've actually written about that, and its reception, elsewhere - it's the one Finnissy recording I truly find offensive) other than to say that I've never known racism (the ostensible subject matter of the piece) made so delectable, so palatable, so exquisite, so well-conceived so as to tickle the fancy of the post-9/11 American middle classes with cultural aspirations. Alex Ross would be proud.
*sigh* - ok, to be honest, now I'm glad you didn't bite your tongue.

The 'bittersweet' rendering of the Spirituals is certainly not intended to glorify racism, is it? That's mighty invidious. It's quite drippy for my taste, too, prefer something far more hard-edged as more appropriate to Finnissy's message (as opposed to the 'aura' of the source material) -- but just to play devil's advocate, do you think the politically charged work of someone like Billie Holliday is also too 'exquisite' ? And if so, what is the difference? And if NOT, don't you still think that Ms. Holliday gets 'appropriated' as exquisite in order to assuage some assumed collective guilt of the descendants of slave-owners?
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« Reply #34 on: 01:50:51, 25-03-2008 »

The 'bittersweet' rendering of the Spirituals is certainly not intended to glorify racism, is it? That's mighty invidious.
No, I'm not saying that; more that I hear a portrayal of black and white living in exquisite harmony through that rendition. This is probably all extremely obscure to those who don't know the piece well, though; maybe we should have another thread looking at it in more detail?

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It's quite drippy for my taste, too, prefer something far more hard-edged as more appropriate to Finnissy's message (as opposed to the 'aura' of the source material) -- but just to play devil's advocate, do you think the politically charged work of someone like Billie Holliday is also too 'exquisite' ? And if so, what is the difference? And if NOT, don't you still think that Ms. Holliday gets 'appropriated' as exquisite in order to assuage some assumed collective guilt of the descendants of slave-owners?
To the latter point I certainly agree, but I don't at all see Holliday's work (at least that which is explicitly connected to such things, most obviously Strange Fruit) as being 'too exquisite'; on the contrary, the pain which she felt so personally, the intense bitterness and resentment, come through in almost every word she sung.
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« Reply #35 on: 12:03:16, 25-03-2008 »

The Nonken Triadic Memories is very much in line with the sort of middle-of-the-road, Feldman-located-within-the-comfort-zone school of performance practice that has become fashionable in the last 10 years or so.

Not qualities I even begin to recognise in her playing on this DVD. Nor does it seem to relate in the slightest to her own views on performing the work, as expressed in the video content of that disc. Indeed, something she found she wanted to get away from in earlier recordings she had heard was a lack of consistency in tempo. As you will no doubt be aware, the recording aimed to present the work as heard from the the audio perspective of the pianist, rather than what might reach the front row of the audience.

I tend towards Kyle Gann's assessment:

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There's such a temptation with Triadic Memories…to smooth out the prickly rhythms, and let the music float and turn ambient. Nonken resists. Her rhythms twist and turn with Feldman’s peculiar notation, and her tone color, though soft, is melodically urgent, not self-effacing. It's a dynamite performance captured on a spectacularly pristine recording.
 

I certainly find this recording no 'background listening' experience, though I do go back to the Tilbury CD, piano and recording quality notwithstanding, with fresh ears. Nonken, of course, did not have the opportunity to know Feldman, coming across his music for for the first time as an undergraduate, not long after he died. She has, however, worked with, and learned from, many musicians who did work closely him, especially Joan La Barbara. I do not know her CRI recording of the Finnissy, but noting just how bargain basement its price has become on Amazon.com, I think I will give it a miss.
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« Reply #36 on: 22:23:15, 29-03-2008 »

Having contributed to a thread on Jean Barraqué without ever having heard any of his music merely because of a reference to Feldman by tinners, I was prompted to get a recording of his Piano Sonata out of the library when I saw it there recently - it's the Henck on ECM. I've been listening to it this evening - initial impressions are favourable but I won't say any more about it until I've heard it one or two more times.

I've got to agree with Bryn's comments re Marilyn Nonken's Triadic Memories - in the opening few pages, for example, she seems (to my ears) to play the notes that Feldman actually wrote - cf Roger Woodward. I don't know the Tilbury recording.
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