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« on: 15:13:00, 10-12-2007 »

I've just received CDs of the complete works by Klangforum Wien. I'm looking forward to the first serious amount of Barraque-listening in years.

Started off with what is possibly my favourite Barraque work - the Concerto for clarinet, vibraphone + 6 instrumental groups. It was interesting to compare this to the Ensemble 2e2m version. The latter's duration is 26'48" whereas the KW version is 33'35" - a serious difference, or so it might appear. I do enjoy both versions, but the KW is likely to become the favourite: it's more expressive and dramatic, makes more telling use of silence (unsurprisingly), and architecturally presents more of an edifice. Ensemble 2e2m is well-behaved and precise, cool and neat. One problem I'd not considered (before hearing KW) is the recording: it's rather distant, but more seriously, displays an element which annoys me more and more about some digital recordings - the lack of treble frequencies. Apart from anything else, this plays havoc with the timbre: the instruments sound too similar and in tuttis certain instruments become masked. On KW the harpsichord, for instance, is heard in all its glory.

I'll post some impressions on other pieces after a couple of more listenings: I was fairly horrified by the KW account of Sequence, so I'd better check. In the meantime, I'd be interested to hear from anyone who, like myself, finds Barraque's music far more rewarding than much of that by supposed "related" composers, or who has views to share about these recordings (or indeed, any others).
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« Reply #1 on: 15:30:34, 10-12-2007 »

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who, like myself, finds Barraque's music far more rewarding than much of that by supposed "related" composers

You mean like Boulez? Yes indeed!

My intro to Barraqué was Woodward's recording of the Sonata, which I remember as being far more urgent and convincing than the one on the complete set, though it was the 2e2m recording of au delà du hasard which really grabbed me. It isn't very accurate compared with KW though, I later found on consulting the score. I've always thought that the opening of the Concerto (but not much subsequently) sounds like an anticipation of Ferneyhough.
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« Reply #2 on: 11:48:11, 11-12-2007 »

Jean Barraqué was one of the French homo-sexualist school, other prominent members of which included Francis Poulenc and Camille Saint-Saëns to name but two. He was short-sighted, difficult to get along with, and could be very jealous. He was also - again following Poulenc - something of a glutton and could be described as an habitual drunkard, even. It was drink which in the end was his undoing - and that has not for good composers been a particularly common end.

In 1952 he began as David Macey tells us a "passionately stormy affair which lasted two or three years with Paul-Michel Foucault" (another French homo-sexualist considered by some to have been a philosopher and by others no more than a psychologist or sociologist - although in 1970 he described himself as none of these but rather as a "specialist in the history of systems of thought"). Here are their photographs and it will at once be evident to percipient Members that the site of their first meeting must have been the wallflower section of Boulez's circle - although as has so often been said individual taste can be unpredictable:


As is known Barraqué was of the avant-garde musically speaking, and he said, significantly, that "to write music just for pleasure, as Rossini did, is no longer possible." Well! There he could not have been more wrong. What a weak grasp of history and in particular musical history he seems to have had! There are so many cultured people who rightly prefer Johann Strauss Junior's Blue Danube or Wiener Blut to any of the productions of Barraqué. (Indeed if we may say so even our own string quartets, combining the best features of the styles of Mozart and Scryabine, are preferable to M. Barraqué's fundamentally inaesthetic sounds. We do know, because we have long possessed recordings of four or five of his productions.) And then there is Broch - an admirable if somewhat ponderous writer in our view - have many Members read for instance his Massenwahntheorie (Theory of Mass Delusion), by no means the only worthwhile book we have come across abandoned in a first-class carriage of a German express? - anyway it was at his friend Foucault's instigation that Barraqué in 1954 read the Frenched Death of Vergil, but in the mind of Barraqué Broch and his Vergil became in the end more of an obsession than much else did not they.

It is we feel a shame really that he fell to such an extent under the influence and pressures of the avant-garde because had he not he might have led a much happier life and written much better music.

Perhaps in a subsequent message we shall say a word about the details of his famous but seldom performed Piano Sonata. How for instance does it compare with Boulez's Second? It (at least in Woodward's rendition) is not at all like, we think - all that repetition especially in its first movement reminds us much more of Ravel's Bolero does not it? - what do other Members think?
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« Reply #3 on: 20:52:15, 11-12-2007 »

We have, of course, no way of assessing Sydney Grew's own quartets, since (I imagine) none of us have knowingly heard any. One does wonder if they relate to
"the best features" of earlier or later Scriabin, but may well be a discussion for a different thread.

I imagine it is obvious to many on this board that, 30 or 40 years ago, Sydney had a strong interest in the music of the avant-garde despite the deliberate disdain he presently displays. I imagine that his knowledge would result in an interesting post on the Barraque Sonata: I, for one, would be interested in reading it. If, however, he is merely bent on denouncing it as "rubbish", using deliberately spurious criteria or the detached meta-ironic stance in which he excels, I will be disappointed.
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« Reply #4 on: 22:04:50, 11-12-2007 »

I have NOT received the following PM from Syd:

We notice that Mr. Harp has initiated a thread dedicated to our quartets. For this we thank him! We have indeed in the past hinted that, such as they are, our works for the medium may at some juncture be made available upon which for members should they wish to comment.
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« Reply #5 on: 19:13:08, 12-12-2007 »

Sequence.

My alarm on first listening was caused by the apparent lack of rounded phrasing, the whole thing sounding like an overfast exercise in musical pointillism. Seemed to make a mockery of the notion of "orchestra as instrument" . . .

Confirmed by listening with the score.
Part of the problem is the balance. The unpitched percussion is too resonant when loud and tends to swamp. The strings are generally too low in the mix. The dynamics are too often imprecise, if not actually inaccurate, especially in the piano part (little difference in markings between mf and ffff). No clearer example than in the brief piano around 6'00" in, which I remember our own Ian Pace delivering so impressively at Croadbasting House a few years back. Alison Wells was the singer on that occasion: one of her strengths was the ability to convey a sense of past musical history within the composition itself (sorry; can't put it better than that at the moment).
Not much of that here. The singer on KW seems to follow the markings pretty well. But there's . . . no expression - I suppose I'd put it as strongly as that. I'd find much of her fairly frequent dodgy pitching (often a semitone or more sharp) forgivable were it not for that.
I need to compare it with the old Josephine Nendick performance which I'm delighted to find I still have on reel-to-reel. Time to wind up the old monster.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:58:08, 12-12-2007 »

Jean Barraqué was one of the French homo-sexualist school, other prominent members of which included Francis Poulenc and Camille Saint-Saëns to name but two.

...except that there is no evidence that Saint-Saëns was a homosexual.  He was often accompanied by Chausson on walks near the Eiffel Tower and was quoted by him as "leering at ladies in a most ungentlemanly manner".
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« Reply #7 on: 16:21:13, 16-12-2007 »

. . . au dela du hasard.

A wonderful piece, as Richard mentioned. Not one I know well.
There seem to be far more elements of musical history here than in any other Barraque piece, most noticeably in the gestures, but also in the (apparent) pitch-workings (organisation of pitches?). It's not so much the tonal associations, which are extensive, as the actual harmonies - pretty post-romantic at times. Perhaps the composer intended them as jazz chords? There is, after all, a significant and intentional jazz connection - and not only in the instrumentation (saxes + vibes included), their sonorities (not just because of jazz mutes) and playing techniques - and the work is dedicated to Andre Hodeir.
The references to the MJQ seem clear enough, but are there deliberate fleeting references to Western composers? I've noticed what seem to be para-quotes from Les Noces, Daphnis et Chloe and Octandre for starters, but perhaps that's my imagination. I'm sure I've heard the first chord of the piece elsewhere, but can't immediately place it. Paul Griffiths, Barraque's biographer, is of little help with any of this and furthermore makes the ludicrous claim that ". . . au dela du hasard remains without parallel in your [= Barraque's] music, or indeed almost anyone else's, in its embrace of jazz timbres without any trace of the harmonic-melodic substance of jazz".

Any ideas, anyone?

The recording is far superior to that of Sequence. And I'm particularly impressed with the female vocalists - apart from anything else, it could have been a major wobble-fest . . .
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« Reply #8 on: 20:39:47, 16-12-2007 »

Jean Barraqué was one of the French homo-sexualist school, other prominent members of which included Francis Poulenc and Camille Saint-Saëns to name but two.
...except that there is no evidence that Saint-Saëns was a homosexual.  He was often accompanied by Chausson on walks near the Eiffel Tower and was quoted by him as "leering at ladies in a most ungentlemanly manner".
Poulenc also found time to father a daughter along the way, it would seem (something a little beyond mere leering...).
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« Reply #9 on: 07:50:36, 18-12-2007 »

Had a preliminary listen to the Sonata on Sunday ("preliminary" as I didn't follow it with the score; used the same approach with Sequence and . . . au dela du hasard). This was the first time I'd listened to it in years and this performance by Stefan Letwin was a strange experience. The opening was positively dreamy - I've never heard it played like that before - and the focus seemed to be solely on a lyrical, narrative interpretation. This actually works reasonably well in the first part, but is inappropriate to the second. Overall, I was left with a feeling that he'd got it completely wrong. Probably because I always related to the Andre Hodeir description - the Sonata "actually succeeds in expressing disbelief; it's the first fully-fledged expression in art of that grandiose sense of despair which has only been hinted at by literature. it gradually descends into death: it's the Orphean work par excellence, inviting the listener on a journey to the Underworld from which there is no return." No sense of that here, although he did make some attempt at "descent", an approach so often missing from performances I've heard in recent years. Few pianists seem able to increase, let alone maintain the intensity in the later stages; and silence does increase in the later stages here. But I suspect that following the score will leave me with a greater sense of dissatisfaction.

Despite its duration (usually 45-50 minutes), I've not ever found it a difficult piece to listen to. One of the reasons is to do with the repetition of fixed pitches - (presumably what reminds Sydney Grew of Ravel's Bolero?) - there's always a bit of feeling of being led from one landmark to the next. Pianistically, the overall architecture is often a big problem, although I rarely found this a failing of Roger Woodward's performances c.1972 (barring one occasion when he took close to 70 minutes). I've heard live performances by different pianists a few times since but I've not heard any more recent recordings than Woodward's. Any considered opinions of more recent recordings?

PS - Why do so many recent recordings of piano music give one the impression that someone's stuck a microphone too near the strings? Answer - because that's what happens much of the time. We're required to hear the thud of the hammers in preference to the kind of pianistic colour that the best pianists work hard at projecting. Makes me very annoyed.
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« Reply #10 on: 12:53:18, 18-12-2007 »

To what extent does Hodeir's line reflect Barraque's intention? To me it sounds not a little bogus and deterministic.

One trouble with the Barraque piano sonata is the almost absurd difficulty of rendering the piece as a gradual morendo as suggested by the Hodeir note. The composer's use of dynamics and the placement of silences seem to tell a fascinating alternative story (at least to me).

There is in this piece, (as interpreted by Herbert Henck, now) a correlation between quietness of dynamic and the introspective, existential questioning; conversely, louder passages sound like outbursts, extroverted and eloquent. The silences, then, are some 'natural continuation' of the quieter passages.

I think, though, that quiet and moribund should not be closely correlated in the interpretation -- it occurs to me that the piece can be a study in dissociating these two qualities. In Henck's version (and is this a problem with the piece itself or not?), there is no "quiet urgency" or the converse of that, a loud stasis. Silences always grow out of the sound, never feel like interruptions. Am I wrong to find this problematic? Or am I even just wrong to hear it that way?

Henck (whose recording I would ultimately recommend highly) is known for his almost clinical precision in adhering to text, though I'm not among those who think it's antiseptic as well, generally... I think it would have been great to hear Roger Woodward on this one. I have never heard that performer in any context, for generational and geographical reasons.

I'll give it several more listens and see what evolves. Those are just my initial thoughts, hypotheses with room to grow.
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« Reply #11 on: 13:29:28, 18-12-2007 »

I do hope we can talk more about this Barraque fellow. I think it's nearly impossible to listen to his music. I am simultaneously completely captivated, and overwhelmed by the sensation that I am missing 99% of what's going on. Very disconcerting! Not a criticism!
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« Reply #12 on: 17:28:39, 18-12-2007 »

I do hope we can talk more about this Barraque fellow.  I am simultaneously completely captivated, and overwhelmed by the sensation that I am missing 99% of what's going on. Very disconcerting! Not a criticism!

Well put!

Ian - I'd be very interested to read any views you have on the relative merits (or lack of them) of different recordings, or even performances of the Sonata. And, since you've performed it yourself, maybe some words about your approach, problems encountered, etc. - anything, really, that the rest of us would not have had the opportunity to consider.
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« Reply #13 on: 17:39:38, 18-12-2007 »

Ian - I'd be very interested to read any views you have on the relative merits (or lack of them) of different recordings, or even performances of the Sonata. And, since you've performed it yourself, maybe some words about your approach, problems encountered, etc. - anything, really, that the rest of us would not have had the opportunity to consider.
I will do - a little busy at the moment but will try to later or tomorrow. The recordings I know are Henck, Chen, Litwin, Woodward, also heard Hind, Henck, Woodward play it live. I did play it a number of times, but haven't done so for about 6-7 years (be great to do it again sometime soon), so it's not quite so fresh in the memory as other things (e.g. Boulez 2 or Stockhausen X, both of which I've played recently). For now, I hear the piece as intensely discursive, between large scale material categories (very crudely a) intensely driven, impassioned, furious, b) expansive, terrifying), the force field between which becomes increasingly stratified through the course of the piece (though that is a massive simplification) a type of long-range strategy which is shared in some respects with as different works as the Liszt Sonata and Finnissy English Country-Tunes. More to follow....
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« Reply #14 on: 12:04:46, 19-12-2007 »

Chant apres chant

This is a terrific performance. Given the amount of percussionists and the dynamic writing for them, it must be a nightmare to a) balance and b) achieve any sense of tight ensemble. This recording scores highly on both. I'm impressed with the singer as well: clear-voiced but with the angst not overstated. And pretty accurate (apart from, strangely, the opening phrase) - no mean feat considering that pitch-wise, note-transference is less in evidence here than in any other Barraque work - and, of course, the vocal writing is far more demanding than that of Sequence. Although the musical polarities are well communicated, the notion of specific pitch seems more tenuous than with other performances I've heard: even the piano (the writing is quite different from that of other works) seems like a non-pitched percussion instrument part of the time.
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