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Author Topic: A Little About Riegger and More On Feldman  (Read 1132 times)
Sydney Grew
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« on: 12:47:34, 13-12-2007 »

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I think that Feldman's influence is here to stay personally, not just from his music but from his writings (to which I return again and again).
Upon reading Mr. Harmony's above-quoted contribution, we have been inspired to present the third of an occasional series about the absurd antics of witless twentieth-century pseudo-composers. To-day's subject is M. Feldman (1926 to 1987); but first a word about his teacher!

Wallingford Riegger (a curious name is not it - as strange as that of Alonzo Church) lived from 1885 to 1961.


He wrote in all four symphonies and three string quartets (what was good enough for Brahms, you know . . .), as well as a piano quintet and much else. (We shall ignore something entitled "Quintuple Jazz" for orchestra, mercifully unpublished, with which he blotted his copybook rather.) He admired Schoenberg's later style and was jolly good (it is said) at counterpoint. What a pity it is that we have heard none of his works. Perhaps a Member or two can tell us more about him; overall he was it is evident a steady sensible sort of fellow. How disappointing for him it must then have been to see one of his pupils turning out so badly!

The pupil to whom we refer was the man Feldman; let us begin with his photograph. Here we see him capering tieless in the foreground, with two of his countrymen tittering behind. It does not augur well!


Next we pick up one of his pieces. It was put together in 1962 and is entitled, we have no idea why, The Straits of Magellan. Can any Member tell us what the title means? Anyway it already augurs even less well!

Now the job of a composer is to write music is it not? We imagine a composer sitting at his desk with a ream of music paper in front of him, and from dawn to dusk, if he is sufficiently enthusiastic about his task, he labours away writing crotchets and minims on that paper, designed for the use of his executants down the ages. Well! An undertaking like that was evidently too hard, or too good, for this Northern American charmer! Here is the first page of what he actually wrote for the work in question:


Each box here represents a unit of the basic tempo (mm. 88). An empty box stands for silence. The other boxes are to be realized by improvisation, except that the symbol in each box restricts what the performer can do:

Arabic numeral: Play that number of notes (any notes!) in succession, except in the case of the pianist who is to play them (anything he likes!) as a chord.
Roman numeral: Play that number of notes (anything at all!) as a chord.
F: Flutter-tongue one (any!) tone.
T: Double-tongue one (any!) tone.
Diamond: Play (anything!) as a harmonic.

The dynamics are specified as "very low throughout"; and "all sounds are to be played with a minimum of attack."

Do other Members get as we do the feeling that one or two essential elements are missing from this "score" (which must have taken all of two hours to put together even though there is neither rhyme nor reason to it)? The delineation between composer and executant has been absolutely destroyed; the composer is explicitly and shamelessly telling us "I cannot be bothered; you do something - anything - it hardly matters what." It is clear that Feldman had just a vague impression (as a child might have) of the surface sound of music and no conception at all of its nature or essence. It need hardly be added need it that we have never heard any of the wretched fellow's stuff and never willingly will. Was he actually insane? We leave that for Members to judge at their leisure - perhaps the question is worthy of an entirely new thread, even; and in the mean time let us learn all there is to know about the compositions - genuine ones his - of the evidently unjustly neglected Wallingford Riegger!
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« Reply #1 on: 12:52:39, 13-12-2007 »

Do other Members get as we do the feeling that one or two essential elements are missing from this "score" ?

Nope.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:59:59, 13-12-2007 »

which must have taken all of two hours to put together

Now when Mozart did that, and performed his piano concertos with the ink still wet on the page blah blah, he was a genius self-immolating in the white heat of creativity blah blah blah blah. What is it that's actually wrong with writing a score in two hours, or for that matter two minutes?

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the absurd antics of witless twentieth-century pseudo-composers

Doesn't that comment belong in the thread devoted to the quartets of Sydney Grew?

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« Reply #3 on: 13:31:26, 13-12-2007 »


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Doesn't that comment belong in the thread devoted to the quartets of Sydney Grew?


And possibly to the works of one Ronald Dough, too, in some eyes, r.

There is very little Riegger available on disc: that which exists is nearly all from elderly recordings. (The Louisville Orchestra's subscription series was/is a treasure trove of rare works and performed a valuable service in bringing pieces by then unknown composers to light, but it was never exactly a superstar amongst orchestras. Many modern youth orchestras would be able to out-play it considerably in terms of intonation and ensemble. The Hanson recordings (made for Mercury with what was in effect a high-grade college orchestra with professional help) usually sound considerably better, though the plan to reissue the complete series on CD was scuppered by the succession of takeovers suffered by its parent company: much of what was available has already disappeared and is commanding high prices for its rarity value.)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?ie=UTF8&rs=301668&keywords=riegger&rh=n%3A301668%2Ck%3Ariegger&page=1


Other searches for his music have proven fruitless: only a single work appears in the BBC catalogue, in a unique performance nearly 30 years ago:

http://catalogue.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/programme/SX+18979_4

I wish Mr Grew good hunting in this quest
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« Reply #4 on: 14:00:03, 13-12-2007 »


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Doesn't that comment belong in the thread devoted to the quartets of Sydney Grew?


And possibly to the works of one Ronald Dough, too, in some eyes, r.

Nor shall I cast the first stone! Though I think I can be excused for thinking that a composer such as Grew, being as he is so forthright, nay almost libellous, in his opinions of his colleagues, ought at some point to hold up his own no doubt infinitely superior works for scrutiny and comparison, as we and most of our fellow penpushing Members are at all times prepared to do notwithstanding our unpreparedness to make such inflated claims for ourselves as to suggest that Messrs Feldman and Stockhausen are respectively "witless" and "puerile" next to ourselves.
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« Reply #5 on: 19:21:22, 13-12-2007 »

Wallingford Riegger

What a pity it is that we have heard none of his works.

I heard his Study in Sonority once and found it a highly remarkable piece.

I don't know if there ever was a commerical recording of it.

"In late March 1961 Riegger fell, having tripped on the leash of a dog fighting with another dog in New York. Despite emergency surgery the trauma proved to be fatal, and Riegger died on April 2, 1961."

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-2697

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« Reply #6 on: 20:34:13, 13-12-2007 »

Is this the grewsome spelling of "Reger"?

After all the Chaicoffsskyy and Riphiscorsettsoff stuff, I have lost track of how anyone's name is spelt...
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« Reply #7 on: 21:11:28, 13-12-2007 »

Dear Reiner, I assume you're not serious. Grew has for once graced us with a conventional spelling, though there is some precedent for it in most non-Slavs he cites.

I place Riegger into the general family of American early modern composers - whose influence on younger generations proved rather subcutaneous, such as Walter Piston, Vincent Persichetti, maybe Leon Kirchner -- not a historically correct constellation by any means, but still... they had a good number of students, many of whom went on to do approximately nothing similar to their teachers. Riegger - Feldman is perhaps the most famous of these types of connections.

Stylistically, there is a lot in common with Ruth Crawford Seeger and Carl Ruggles as well. Do those names ring a larger, more sonorous bell for anyone?
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« Reply #8 on: 21:14:51, 13-12-2007 »

Stylistically, there is a lot in common with Ruth Crawford Seeger and Carl Ruggles as well.

That's true, C-D! Smiley

Riegger's Study in Sonority reminded me a bit of Crawford Seeger's Andante for Strings. I've always been an admirer of Ruggles's music, ever since I heard that old recording of Sun-treader by Michael Tilson Thomas.
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« Reply #9 on: 21:46:22, 13-12-2007 »

Stylistically, there is a lot in common with Ruth Crawford Seeger and Carl Ruggles as well. Do those names ring a larger, more sonorous bell for anyone?

Indeed, Chafers my boy. Both of them for me, but particularly Ruggles. With all the flack that usually accompanies any mention of MTT's name, it's oft forgot that he championed the work of CR (and many others), and for that we must at least be grateful.
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« Reply #10 on: 22:35:46, 13-12-2007 »

Stylistically, there is a lot in common with Ruth Crawford Seeger and Carl Ruggles as well. Do those names ring a larger, more sonorous bell for anyone?
Yes, they both mean something for me too, Dishy. Although I have many American symphonists represented on the shelves, Riegger is an omission: not easy to find, at least at  sensible prices, as I've shown above. But, as martle has pointed out, MTT did sterling work for Ruggles, and Sun-treader is usually lurking in the DG catalogue somewhere. (Incidentally, I still feel that MTT has certain strengths - Stravinsky for example.) It's strange though that if Riegger's music is of such high quality, it's so little recorded, and that was has been consigned to disc is so old with no modern replacements, when so many other American composers have been revisited recently; though the comparative lack of works by Roger Sessions (whose music I've so far found unendearing) represented in the catalogue might be of the same order.

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« Reply #11 on: 23:11:45, 13-12-2007 »

Ruggles - love it.

Wasn't it him who was heard repeating a chord over and over again for more than an hour; when asked why he said "it sounded damn' good when I played it first, I want to be sure it STILL sounds as good after I've played it 1000 times!"

If it wasn't Ruggles it was probably Ives, but somehow I think it was Carl.

There's a very attractive tension in his music which I can best express as huge granite blocks which have been carved to perfection, but still seem like huge granite blocks - none of your (to paraphrase Ives) effete tinkerings there...
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« Reply #12 on: 00:25:04, 14-12-2007 »

There used to be a double CD on CBS of Ruggles' complete works, whose extent made Webern and even Varèse look prolific. (He spent decades working on an opera based on Hauptmann's The Sunken Bell, getting about 80% of (presumably) its vocal score finished, and then destroyed it.) While Sun-Treader is definitely more striking than anything else there's another orchestral piece called Organum, and Portals for string orchestra, which are almost as impressive. I wonder why that's never played... or at least recorded. The liner notes recounted the story about the piano chord.
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« Reply #13 on: 01:09:48, 14-12-2007 »

There used to be a double CD on CBS of Ruggles' complete works,

There did? I have the LPs, but have never seen it on CD, and can find no mention of such anywhere else. I have long taken it that the editing problems on the LP version would have sounded so blatant if re-mastered to CD, that such a release would never happen.
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« Reply #14 on: 01:14:18, 14-12-2007 »

Sorry Bryn, I typed CD but meant LP.
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