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Author Topic: Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet on disc  (Read 705 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 13:29:37, 16-05-2008 »

Hang on there, bbm: you're automatically assuming (i) that Ruby lives anywhere near other people on the board and (ii) that she might actually want to meet any of us.
Ha ha ha ha... I don't live near anything.  I live in Lincoln...
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« Reply #16 on: 13:33:23, 16-05-2008 »

Indeed. like [people have said earlier, the Previn version is the one for me!! Hope you enjoy yourself here Ruby. There's a whole load of things to get your mind into on these boards, including meet ups.
Thanks - good to have another confirmation!  There's a staggering amount of information on here, so I think I need to ration myself in case my brain becomes full and important things start to leak out to make room.  I've already forgotten where I parked.
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« Reply #17 on: 13:37:30, 16-05-2008 »

I don't live near anything.  I live in Lincoln...

You live near Lincoln Cathedral.  If you like that sort of thing, there is the Cathdrals and Churches thread.

It is one of the most stunning cathedral exteriors in England, perched as it is on that crest.  It figures in some D H Lawrence novel, doesn't it?  The Rainbow

It says a lot about me that all I remember from DH Lawrence is his description of a church.  Never interested in Lady Chat, even that notorious dog-eared single page.
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« Reply #18 on: 15:03:15, 16-05-2008 »

I don't live near anything.  I live in Lincoln...

You live near Lincoln Cathedral.  If you like that sort of thing, there is the Cathdrals and Churches thread.

It is one of the most stunning cathedral exteriors in England, perched as it is on that crest.  It figures in some D H Lawrence novel, doesn't it?  The Rainbow

It says a lot about me that all I remember from DH Lawrence is his description of a church.  Never interested in Lady Chat, even that notorious dog-eared single page.
Oh well in that case I'll have to visit that thread. I'm glad you like it (I made it myself - ho ho) - I do love a wander up there some evenings, especially when it's floodlit.   Not sure about the D H Lawrence - you may well be right.  I do know that it features in the recent film of a rather unfortunate "book" masquerading as a rather more famous building, but the less said about that the better for me...

I went to a performance of Pictures at an Exhibition last year, which was stunning, I was almost choked up at the end.  The bat flitting about the rafters in the interval made it extra special (I typed spacial first - maybe I shouldn't have corrected it!)

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« Reply #19 on: 15:11:58, 16-05-2008 »

The only time I was a  tour manager, my group stayed the night in Lincoln and I walked around the cathedral at night and it was stunning.  I haven't seen the inside for a long time, and remember not being too impressed. 

Yes, I read the cathedral's website on why they allowed Tom Hanks and the Hollywood heresiarchs to use it as location shooting for the Da Vinci Code.  All about allowing people to make up their own minds, If I Recall Correctly (maybe you are into acronyms already).  Bosh.  They wanted the spondoolicks, and I can't blame them.

Westminster Abbey, the actual location in the book, high mindedly refused filming, because they are rolling in it, and because they did not want to encourage misleading tosh like that.  I can't blame them for that, either.

There's sometimes some of Tennyson's poetry over on the Poetry thread in the Coffee Bar.
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« Reply #20 on: 15:36:50, 16-05-2008 »

The only time I was a  tour manager, my group stayed the night in Lincoln and I walked around the cathedral at night and it was stunning.  I haven't seen the inside for a long time, and remember not being too impressed. 

Yes, I read the cathedral's website on why they allowed Tom Hanks and the Hollywood heresiarchs to use it as location shooting for the Da Vinci Code.  All about allowing people to make up their own minds, If I Recall Correctly (maybe you are into acronyms already).  Bosh.  They wanted the spondoolicks, and I can't blame them.

Westminster Abbey, the actual location in the book, high mindedly refused filming, because they are rolling in it, and because they did not want to encourage misleading tosh like that.  I can't blame them for that, either.

There's sometimes some of Tennyson's poetry over on the Poetry thread in the Coffee Bar.
I'm much the same on the interior/exterior issue.  Although sadly when I tried to take some friends round the inside last week in the scorching weather I found that the whole thing was cordoned off and they had started charging admission. Sad times.

I've no objection to the cathedral allowing filming of the "book", in fact it was quite entertaining to go in and look at the sets (a lot of it looked so real it was hard to distinguish from the fabric of the building) it's the "book" itself I object to.  Not even the content as it's blatant nonsense, just the writing style - I've never read anything less deserving of the publicity and money it attracted.  I'm in danger of going even further off-topic here... I'll stop before steam starts coming out of my ears.
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« Reply #21 on: 15:56:56, 16-05-2008 »

No, thank you for saying that, ruby.

I have never read it and wouldn't want to and I am delighted to see an independent reader confirm my suspicions that it is literary tosh as well as theological and historic tosh.

All part of a well known heterosexual conspiracy to subvert Christianity and spread the belief that in order to count as a real human being, Jesus had to have legover with a woman, because that's what all human beings do.

Hum.

Cathedral admissions are a vexed area.
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« Reply #22 on: 16:09:37, 16-05-2008 »

No, thank you for saying that, ruby.

I have never read it and wouldn't want to and I am delighted to see an independent reader confirm my suspicions that it is literary tosh as well as theological and historic tosh.

All part of a well known heterosexual conspiracy to subvert Christianity and spread the belief that in order to count as a real human being, Jesus had to have legover with a woman, because that's what all human beings do.

Hum.

Cathedral admissions are a vexed area.
It is absolutely tosh in every respect.  (This is still the same person by the way, just had some problems with e-mail and such - hence new me.)  Steer well clear.  It's as though the guy had done an awful lot of research and was determined to prove it.  It somehow manages to be clumsy, obvious, childish and patronising all at the same time.  Which is quite a feat really if you think about it.
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« Reply #23 on: 16:17:07, 16-05-2008 »

Steering things back to musical matters, I seem to remember a review in the TLS when that book about the Holy Grail and the Bloodline came out years ago (which is the basis of Brown's fantasies) which said it was writing about the first century on the basis of later legends, as though we were to try to reconstruct Tudor history from the operas of Donizetti.

(I realise some may consider Donizetti the musical equivalent of Dan Brown, but I saw the English Touring Opera do Anna Bolena at the Hackney Empire and it worked as musical theatre.  As history, no.)
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« Reply #24 on: 07:44:23, 17-05-2008 »

One of my greatest regrets in recorded music is that Abbado and the Berliners rather than doing a complete recording did a disc of highlights (selected by Abbado from the suites and the ballet in a way which doesn't always make dramatic sense - the Duke's Command (er, I think it's called that even though it doesn't sound quite right) is at the beginning which means that the Duke's entrance music is followed by the rather prancy Dance with Mandolins.  Roll Eyes).

But it's a magnificent disc all the same and I don't think you'll regret giving it a listen.
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« Reply #25 on: 11:07:19, 19-05-2008 »

One of my greatest regrets in recorded music is that Abbado and the Berliners rather than doing a complete recording did a disc of highlights (selected by Abbado from the suites and the ballet in a way which doesn't always make dramatic sense - the Duke's Command (er, I think it's called that even though it doesn't sound quite right) is at the beginning which means that the Duke's entrance music is followed by the rather prancy Dance with Mandolins.  Roll Eyes).

But it's a magnificent disc all the same and I don't think you'll regret giving it a listen.
Interesting - is that this one? http://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Romeo-Juliet-Excerpts-Sergey/dp/B00000613N  The first search took me to Prokofiev.org, which I hadn't spotted before.  There are 43 listed recording of R&J, some of which have reviews.  The individual who wrote the review of the above didn't seem to favour it (each to his own of course), preferring the Previn recording, so I had to have a look at their review for that one: "The Balcony sequences are so sensuously and erotically drawn out..."

This seems to suggest that Ron Dough's original response (that Previn might suit my wishes better) may well have hit the mark.  Plenty of people seem to agree anyway.

Thanks for the suggestion though. If I had a small fortune and enough leave left to listen, I'd buy them all!

[Unfortunately I've now started browsing through the violin concertos and now I want to buy a load more... oops!]
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« Reply #26 on: 11:25:40, 19-05-2008 »

I was trying to play my favourite bit to a friend (several sequences of increasing ascendence (9 notes up, 7 down) that peak at a rather heart wrenching chord - sorry I can't name any of them - I don't even know what key it's in!!) but it just served to remind me how much I dislike my recording and I stopped looking before I found it. 

I had thought that it was in Juliet's death but didn't find it there (what an oddly poetic sentence.)

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Is it perhaps in Romeo at Juliet's Grave? That's the bit your description most calls to mind. That's not actually The Death of Juliet but of course it's easy to get them mixed up. Just ask Romeo.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #27 on: 12:36:38, 19-05-2008 »

I was trying to play my favourite bit to a friend (several sequences of increasing ascendence (9 notes up, 7 down) that peak at a rather heart wrenching chord - sorry I can't name any of them - I don't even know what key it's in!!) but it just served to remind me how much I dislike my recording and I stopped looking before I found it. 

I had thought that it was in Juliet's death but didn't find it there (what an oddly poetic sentence.)

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Is it perhaps in Romeo at Juliet's Grave? That's the bit your description most calls to mind. That's not actually The Death of Juliet but of course it's easy to get them mixed up. Just ask Romeo.  Roll Eyes
Ha ha ha, yes indeed...  You may well be right actually - I'll have another try this evening.  Thanks, you're a star! Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: 19:44:07, 24-05-2008 »

The music is a ballet so I would treat yourself to the ballet!   There's a 2004 DVD of the ballet from the Bolshoi, with the Bolshoi Orchestra under Algis Zhuraitis, and danced by Bezsemrtnova & Mukhamedov (ie the "dream-team" cast for this picece).  "Amazon Sellers" have it for under £8.   Not only do you have the ballet itself, BUT the tempos imposed by synchronising with the choreography automatically bring this nearer to what Prokofiev must have intended for the piece Smiley

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Romeo-Juliet-Prokofiev-Natalya-Bessmertnova/dp/B0002TXSSA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1210859393&sr=1-1

The DVD in question arrived today, and despite the rather less than wonderful video definition and the damned applause, over the music, for so many entrances and exits of dancers, at least the music is in 16/48 LPCM rather than just Dolby Digital. The above-mentioned limitations notwithstanding, I am much enjoying it, though mainly for the music. Thanks for the recommendation, R_T, even if I do prefer the MacMillan choreography (better fight scenes for a start, in my view).
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« Reply #29 on: 10:44:11, 25-05-2008 »

Bryn - thanks for the update - glad the music is going down well (I'll keep it on the list for a later spending spree).  I'm afraid I had to restrict myself for the moment due to budgetary constraints so I went for the Previn.  It's due some time this coming week so I'll report back... Also ordered a Glazunov compilation out of curiosity and from recommendations here.  There were surprisingly few CDs with the entire seasons on - many seemed to be variations on a single season.
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