Ron Dough
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New member Ruby has a question to ask, so I've started this thread on her behalf.
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« Last Edit: 13:53:46, 15-05-2008 by Ron Dough »
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Ruby
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« Reply #1 on: 14:02:13, 15-05-2008 » |
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Oh thanks - that was kind of you! Hi all, Probably my favourite piece of music is Prokofiev's ballet Romeo and Juliet. I started out with a cheap CD of extracts, which I adored but then lent to someone who has now had it for about 2 years and I don't know when I'll get it back. A former boyfriend got me a double CD of the complete piece, but I don't really like it as it absolutely rattles through some of the really beautiful bits - you'd think there was a fire in the studio or something. It was recorded by the Bolshoi Theatre Orchestra - you'd like to think they know what they're doing of course, but it's just too fast for my taste. Can anyone recommend a good recording that takes its time? Especially in sections like the balcony scene. Thank you!
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #2 on: 14:25:43, 15-05-2008 » |
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The two complete versions I know best are those by Andre Previn with the LSO on EMI, and Lorin Maazel with the Cleveland on Decca, both made in the days of LP, but still both sounding great in their CD reincarnations. Of the two I prefer the Maazel, finding the Previn a little slower, so it sounds to me as if the Previn would do you very nicely. Not at all expensive at Amazon: £6.47 for the two-disc set plus postage if you buy it direct from them, or if you decide to use one of the parallel sellers they list as well you could save an extra couple of pounds, though your delivery time might be longer, as most of them tend to come from the States. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Romeo-Juliet-Previn-Sergey-Prokofiev/dp/B0002XV310/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1210857032&sr=1-3I'm sure there'll be further additions to this thread before long. It's worth remembering that the demands of dance can have an effect on the speeds conductors use in the theatre and their vision of the piece thereafter, whilst those who only perform the work in the concert hall or recording studio without having ever had to cope with the different demands of timing for the stage are likely to have a freer approach.
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Ruby
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« Reply #3 on: 14:33:46, 15-05-2008 » |
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Thanks for that, it'll be interesting to see if other people have the same view about the Previn one. Thanks for the link as well.
I've no doubt you're absolutely right about the pace issue, but as with so many things I've got a "correct" pace in my head from the recording I first fell for and now the faster one just sounds wrong!
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #4 on: 14:42:19, 15-05-2008 » |
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The tempi used for the recording we learn a work by often dictate how we perceive it ever after, Ruby: one of the reasons maniacs like me try to keep at least two versions of a piece on the shelves: more chance to know the work rather than the performance.
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« Reply #5 on: 14:51:06, 15-05-2008 » |
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Very true. I don't have enough shelf space to do that at the moment unfortunately! I was in an orchestra many years ago that played Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which is now a favourite. When I bought it on CD I distinctly remember being put out by the way some sections were played at the time, but since I can't replay our performance I've come to accept my new version now. Over time new sections started to take on a prominence in my head, so whilst I used to ignore 'Catacombs' because I was a violin and didn't have much to do in that bit, it's now one of my favourite parts to it. So maybe I am re-programmable after all!
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #6 on: 14:56:46, 15-05-2008 » |
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The music is a ballet so I would treat yourself to the ballet! There's a 2004 DVD of the ballet from the Bolshoi, with the Bolshoi Orchestra under Algis Zhuraitis, and danced by Bezsemrtnova & Mukhamedov (ie the "dream-team" cast for this picece). "Amazon Sellers" have it for under £8. Not only do you have the ballet itself, BUT the tempos imposed by synchronising with the choreography automatically bring this nearer to what Prokofiev must have intended for the piece http://www.amazon.co.uk/Romeo-Juliet-Prokofiev-Natalya-Bessmertnova/dp/B0002TXSSA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1210859393&sr=1-1
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Ruby
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« Reply #7 on: 15:01:13, 15-05-2008 » |
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Interestingly I was looking at that very item earlier this afternoon. Maybe I should get this and a slower CD, just to satisfy my cravings whilst at the same time staying true to its purpose.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #8 on: 15:30:55, 15-05-2008 » |
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Mukhamedov
By far the unlikeliest person I've ever understudied, when he played the King in a Covent Garden Festival Production of The King and I (at the Masonic Grand Temple, no less). The fact that I fitted the costumes and have a convincing Russian accent seem to have swayed the production team: it certainly wasn't my dancing. Lovely guy, by the way, very funny.
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« Reply #9 on: 16:13:10, 15-05-2008 » |
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Mukhamedov
By far the unlikeliest person I've ever understudied, when he played the King in a Covent Garden Festival Production of The King and I (at the Masonic Grand Temple, no less). The fact that I fitted the costumes and have a convincing Russian accent seem to have swayed the production team: it certainly wasn't my dancing. Lovely guy, by the way, very funny. Lesson One for me in "who does what" on this forum.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #10 on: 16:33:43, 15-05-2008 » |
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And you'll find out a lot more.
Reminds me of a friend who said "I used to listen to The Archers until I moved to X" (X = village near Reading.) Why listen to fiction, when you have got a real life soap opera to hand? And that's what this place can be as well.
In fact I find I am alarmingly revealing about myself a time in ways I would never be face to face....
As I also say, its far cheaper than therapy.
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« Reply #11 on: 19:30:04, 15-05-2008 » |
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I adore Romeo & Juliet too....all human life is there both in the music and the story.
I've got Seiji Ozawa's 1987 CD, which was a present, but I've never been all that convinced by it. I'd buy the Previn if I was planning to replace it.
I had a ROH video, but haven't yet replaced it with DVD, so thanks for the earlier recommendation Reiner T., I'll look into that.
x Jan xx
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« Reply #12 on: 09:48:17, 16-05-2008 » |
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I adore Romeo & Juliet too....all human life is there both in the music and the story.
I've got Seiji Ozawa's 1987 CD, which was a present, but I've never been all that convinced by it. I'd buy the Previn if I was planning to replace it.
I had a ROH video, but haven't yet replaced it with DVD, so thanks for the earlier recommendation Reiner T., I'll look into that.
x Jan xx
Ooh thanks for your thoughts on the Previn. That clinches it (I don't need much.) I really need to listen to it again soon, and with the absence of my favourite recording I need to get another one. I was drawn to it by the obvious Dance of the Knights but the rest of it then rather quickly overtook it. I was trying to play my favourite bit to a friend (several sequences of increasing ascendence (9 notes up, 7 down) that peak at a rather heart wrenching chord - sorry I can't name any of them - I don't even know what key it's in!!) but it just served to remind me how much I dislike my recording and I stopped looking before I found it. I had thought that it was in Juliet's death but didn't find it there (what an oddly poetic sentence.)
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« Reply #13 on: 11:36:51, 16-05-2008 » |
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Indeed. like [people have said earlier, the Previn version is the one for me!! Hope you enjoy yourself here Ruby. There's a whole load of things to get your mind into on these boards, including meet ups.
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #14 on: 11:40:21, 16-05-2008 » |
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Hang on there, bbm: you're automatically assuming (i) that Ruby lives anywhere near other people on the board and (ii) that she might actually want to meet any of us.
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