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Ron Dough
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« Reply #15 on: 00:37:19, 21-05-2008 »

Well there we go: the last movement of Tehilim is one of my most favourite things of all, although I've not heard any performance radio-live or on disc that lives up to the UK première (still preserved on tape somewhere in the Dough store vaults). But then, I'm probably looking for something different to our academics.
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« Reply #16 on: 09:26:29, 21-05-2008 »

Tehillim was responsible for one of my most intense concert experiences of all. A conductor whom nothing could induce me to name here had decided on the basis of a recording to programme it. Problem was that when he conducted along with the recording at home he was doing so in a continuous 4/4 and that approach sort of doesn't work with the score as Reich wrote it. (In principle it could of course be OK if one were to prepare a new score and set of parts but 3 days before the gig (which I vaguely remember is when we found out) was a bit late for that.)

Poor chap practised like mad (I can only assume) but we still reached the concert without having had a run that didn't at the very least involve the musical equivalent of driving over a suspicious-sounding bump and pressing on regardless. (More often it involved crashing to a halt and restarting at the bit we'd reached, a strategy well known to at least some of us as completely pointless.) The general rehearsal included the edifying spectacle of the conductor leaning down to the strings and asking 'where are we?'. I doubt that they gave the geographical answer but it's a lovely thought since the concert was at a major venue and broadcast live.

Don't think I've ever been quite so knackered after a gig involving so few notes.
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« Reply #17 on: 10:40:47, 21-05-2008 »

Tehillim was responsible for one of my most intense concert experiences of all. A conductor whom nothing could induce me to name here had decided on the basis of a recording to programme it. Problem was that when he conducted along with the recording at home he was doing so in a continuous 4/4 and that approach sort of doesn't work with the score as Reich wrote it. (In principle it could of course be OK if one were to prepare a new score and set of parts but 3 days before the gig (which I vaguely remember is when we found out) was a bit late for that.)

Poor chap practised like mad (I can only assume) but we still reached the concert without having had a run that didn't at the very least involve the musical equivalent of driving over a suspicious-sounding bump and pressing on regardless. (More often it involved crashing to a halt and restarting at the bit we'd reached, a strategy well known to at least some of us as completely pointless.) The general rehearsal included the edifying spectacle of the conductor leaning down to the strings and asking 'where are we?'. I doubt that they gave the geographical answer but it's a lovely thought since the concert was at a major venue and broadcast live.

Don't think I've ever been quite so knackered after a gig involving so few notes.

I'm quoting this message partly as it was last and partly because it made me laugh.

The CD has arrived and I wasn't too enamoured at first listen, probably because I was bobbling around the house tidying up and I mistakenly thought track 1 was going on for ages, eventually realising we'd got to track 7.  That immediately sparked my interest and I gave it a bit of quiet sofa time.  It's definitely growing on me now - I think it benefitted from listening to it properly and unpicking it a bit. 

I was already thinking "My utmost respect to anyone who has played something of his" because of all the different layers, so your comment Oliver about the conductor really made me smile.

Thanks everyone - really interesting comments.

It slightly put me in mind of a single Steve Martland track from Drill that I've got - I've always meant to buy the whole thing but never got round to it. 

I'm now dubious about posting this further comment as I agree Ron - your posts can be bad for the finances...   Shocked:)
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« Reply #18 on: 10:46:38, 21-05-2008 »


I'm now dubious about posting this further comment as I agree Ron - your posts can be bad for the finances...   Shocked:)

Whatever you do Ruby2, don't get Ron started on Martin Butler or it'll be debtors prison for you! Cheesy Cheesy

Oh dang, now look what I've done Grin Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: 10:50:55, 21-05-2008 »


I'm now dubious about posting this further comment as I agree Ron - your posts can be bad for the finances...   Shocked:)

Whatever you do Ruby2, don't get Ron started on Martin Butler or it'll be debtors prison for you! Cheesy Cheesy

Oh dang, now look what I've done Grin Roll Eyes
Oh that's just mean... I haven't heard of Martin Butler... yet...   Sad
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« Reply #20 on: 10:52:49, 21-05-2008 »

That other piece is called Pendulum Music, and I think it's a great concept for a piece.

I'm surprised there's no SR thread, so thanks for starting one.
I agree, it's a great idea - does it sound any good though?  Grin

I couldn't help thinking that Music for 18 Musicians sounded like it touched on the same sort of premise - that of having rhythms/themes at different paces gradually catching up and overtaking each other.  Is that a feature, or just a feature of my imagination?
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« Reply #21 on: 10:57:54, 21-05-2008 »


I'm now dubious about posting this further comment as I agree Ron - your posts can be bad for the finances...   Shocked:)

Whatever you do Ruby2, don't get Ron started on Martin Butler or it'll be debtors prison for you! Cheesy Cheesy

Oh dang, now look what I've done Grin Roll Eyes
Oh that's just mean... I haven't heard of Martin Butler... yet...   Sad

You will Ruby, you will Grin I'm rather partial to his stuff myself, as it happens Wink
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« Reply #22 on: 11:05:39, 21-05-2008 »

Come now, Mort, a complete set of recordings of Martin Butler works so far would hardly break most banks. There's not that many of them...
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« Reply #23 on: 11:11:30, 21-05-2008 »

Come now, Mort, a complete set of recordings of Martin Butler works so far would hardly break most banks. There's not that many of them...
La la la I can't hear you [hands over ears]... aaaargh.....

http://www.oup.co.uk/music/repprom/butler/catalogue/
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« Reply #24 on: 11:13:30, 21-05-2008 »

Come now, Mort, a complete set of recordings of Martin Butler works so far would hardly break most banks. There's not that many of them...

I was thinking of the bar bill Grin  Btw Tin Pan Ballet arrived just in time for me to not be able to post about it. However I can now say it was extremely well received in the Land of the High Gate

Edit. Apologies for veering off-topic. Tsk tsk Mort.
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I couldn't help thinking that Music for 18 Musicians sounded like it touched on the same sort of premise - that of having rhythms/themes at different paces gradually catching up and overtaking each other.  Is that a feature, or just a feature of my imagination?

Reich experimented a great deal with 'phasing'. It's certainly an integral feature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Phase

I've only ever read about 'pendulum music', never heard it. Just looked on ubu.com and there's no Reich there, anyone know where it can be heard?"
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« Reply #26 on: 11:27:32, 21-05-2008 »


I couldn't help thinking that Music for 18 Musicians sounded like it touched on the same sort of premise - that of having rhythms/themes at different paces gradually catching up and overtaking each other.  Is that a feature, or just a feature of my imagination?

Reich experimented a great deal with 'phasing'. It's certainly an integral feature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Phase

Aha, ahh!  Great link - thanks.  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: 11:41:56, 21-05-2008 »

But then, I'm probably looking for something different to our academics.
Given that my first exposure to Steve Reich's music came over 30 years before I became an academic...

For me one of the most exciting things about Reich's earlier music (ie. up to and including 18) is the way that material and form were so unified: the kind of material he was using defines a new kind of form which hadn't existed previously in Western music. Or vice versa. Starting with Tehillim he began to find ways of accommodating the sound-world he'd discovered into a framework much more closely related to traditions of Western composition (three movements, fast & most complex, slow & relatively lyrical, fast again & clearly "winding things up"). Some might see this as a welcome progression but I found it disappointingly compromised, and it sounded to me at the time like a failure to look beyond the point he'd previously reached. I can't really imagine any more than member Fragment where that might have led of course.

The composers I admire most are those on a journey whose trajectory is individually motivated (even if you can see some familiar landmarks from the pathway taken) and along which the listener is invited to travel and make his/her own discoveries. Too often though the composer will stop at a certain point along the way, like the look of it, and set up shop there. (Of course the way the musical world works makes this a strong temptation.)

I did feel that Different Trains embodied a promising new direction but I'm not that keen on what's become of it. (I haven't heard the complete Cave but thought City Life was dreadful.)

I've "performed" Pendulum Music. I used electric-guitar distortion pdeals to make the sound more interesting (er, to me, I mean). It has a certain "so what" kind of quality I think. I find Alvin Lucier's exploration of related acoustic phenomena much more engaging (plus Alvin never started writing oratorios!).
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« Reply #28 on: 12:12:34, 21-05-2008 »

Richard, thanks for putting that so exactly as I would have if I had your eloquence: now don't have to try.  Grin

(Do you really think of yourself as an 'academic', even now? I'm not sure I do, despite my presence in an 'academy'.)
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« Reply #29 on: 12:34:20, 21-05-2008 »

My tuppence worth - Richard's more or less said all I would want to say about Reich, except that I've never seen the fuss over Different Trains either. The whole speech melodies thing sounds like terribly naff to me - like a composer who wants to be a techno musician but doesn't have the courage of his convictions or the skills to execute them effectively. Reich writes terribly for samplers as far as I can see (I can't get Paul Hardcastle's 19 out of my head) but those early instrumental works I wouldn't want to be without.
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