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Sydney Grew
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« on: 11:27:29, 23-09-2008 » |
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We wonder whether any Members are familiar with the compositions of the great twentieth-century German composer Richard Trunk (1879 - 1968)? His orchestral rhapsody Walpurgisnacht of 1905 (opus 23) has received particularly high praise - how we long to hear it! But it seems to have been censored - perhaps its beauty is altogether too much for modern ears.
Then there is his Man and Nature, opus 85, for male chorus. That must be something. He was awarded the Goethe medal you know.
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« Reply #1 on: 11:36:24, 23-09-2008 » |
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Wikipedia tells me he became a member of the Nazi Party in 1931 and he led a lonely life after 1945.
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #2 on: 12:01:32, 23-09-2008 » |
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Wikipedia tells me he became a member of the Nazi Party in 1931 and he led a lonely life after 1945.
We wonder why Wikipedia concentrates on that aspect of his life - which he had in common with at least two million of his countrymen - and not on his creative work, which was unique! See what we mean about censorship? |
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« Reply #3 on: 12:02:15, 23-09-2008 » |
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I don't know composer Richard Trunk, never heard of him.
I was thinking about the problem of composers political views and his music. Should we play music of composers that were associated with Nazi regime.
There is another composer that was associated with Nazi occupation of Norway. It is Sinding. I don't know what members think about value of such composers for music.
I don't know how a morally bad composer (or bad human being) can write good music, but may be I don't know much.
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« Reply #4 on: 13:24:05, 23-09-2008 » |
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don't know how a morally bad composer (or bad human being) can write good music, Well who would wish to be without the music of Carlo Gesualdo? (Although perhaps he was mad and not bad) |
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« Reply #5 on: 13:32:07, 23-09-2008 » |
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I think that composers can be mad, can have psychological problems or they can be wrong. But can a good composer be a bad person?
I consider a manipulative person who likes to do bad things to others, supports morally wrong actions against other human beings (or even considers mass murder of people a good thing).
Usually composers are highly moral and conscious people.
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« Reply #6 on: 14:14:46, 23-09-2008 » |
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Perhaps Trunk's music might have been played more often if he and his jackbooted pals hadn't so enthusiastically and deteminedly mass-murdered the orchestral players who might have performed it?
As far as his Walpurgisnacht is concerned, I have never heard it and never wish to. It's a pity the score wasn't burned. Nazi bilge has no place in our society, then or now. I hope Trunk died in the lonely misery he thoroughly deserved - living to an old age he was more than happy to deny to others. Scum.
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- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #7 on: 14:54:25, 23-09-2008 » |
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Perhaps Trunk's music might have been played more often if he and his jackbooted pals hadn't so enthusiastically and deteminedly mass-murdered the orchestral players who might have performed it?
As far as his Walpurgisnacht is concerned, I have never heard it and never wish to. It's a pity the score wasn't burned. Nonsense! (Or may we say Unsinn?) How can all two million members have been "murderers"? That is a sad delusion. We doubt Herr Trunk ever saw or even heard of a "murder" and certainly would not have worn "jack"-boots (in which incidentally the sense of "jack" is obscure). They were worn by soldiers not by members!!! As we said he has been censored for sixty years poor obliging old chap when he only tried to do his best and create something beautiful! We must all hope and pray for a Trunk revival very soon now. |
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #8 on: 15:21:49, 23-09-2008 » |
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Mr Grew has a particular interest in what kinds of boots composers wore, I see.
I personally would have happily forgone Herr Trunk's talentless Nazi drivel to have had the mature output of Krasa and Ullmann - what masterpieces might we have had from them, had Herr Trunk and his Nazi friends not terminated their lives in such a despicable way?
I very much hope Trunk has spent his time since leaving this earth in an endless Walpurgisnacht of his very own, in which his vile Nazi soul is flayed alive for all eternity.
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« Reply #9 on: 15:55:49, 23-09-2008 » |
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It's very difficult to imagine that a composer so enamoured of Nazi ideas that he joined the NSDAP two years before it took power could have written anything worth hearing. It seems to me vanishingly unlikely that Trunk's music has been suppressed on the grounds of being "too beautiful".
NSDAP membership rose during 1931 from 390000 to 800000. It did not reach two million until 1933.
If member Grew cares so much about promoting this music here I suggest he posts an excerpt from it so we can judge for ourselves, or desists from the transparently mischievous instigation of threads like this.
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« Reply #10 on: 16:33:23, 23-09-2008 » |
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NSDAP membership rose during 1931 from 390000 to 800000.
I can scarcely read those numbers. Here in the US we put little commas for ease of reading. "390,000" and "800,000" -- just curious if you UKers do this as well. In Germany, they just put in gaps like so: 390 000 and 800 000 If member Grew cares so much about promoting this music here I suggest he posts an excerpt from it so we can judge for ourselves, or desists from the transparently mischievous instigation of threads like this.
Quite so. Though I really doubt I will listen without vomiting, i.e., not wanting to vomit I will probably not listen at all. I think, though, that Grew has no access to the music, and just wants to stir up trouble. It amuses him. |
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« Reply #11 on: 16:44:13, 23-09-2008 » |
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I think, though, that Grew has no access to the music, and just wants to stir up trouble. It amuses him.
That thought had crossed my mind, Turfan  But soft! We are still awaiting the appearance of the bashful Mr Grew's legendary String Quartets, are we not? Mayhap that is for another thread somewhere in this vicinity ... |
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Baz
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« Reply #12 on: 17:11:08, 23-09-2008 » |
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We can only be thankful that Mr Grew had not made the mistake of promoting the music of Richard Wagner - it is clear that (due to his antisemitism) he could not possibly have written anything at all that should be admired. Utter "bilge"!
Baz
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« Reply #13 on: 18:13:13, 23-09-2008 » |
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Baz, that's a different kettle of fish and you know it perfectly well.
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