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Author Topic: who was Shostakovich?  (Read 25287 times)
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« Reply #480 on: 20:44:59, 24-05-2007 »

The Muradeli website does not mention any symphonies numbered beyond 2. But I feel certain that it was No.4 that I taped.
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« Reply #481 on: 01:31:21, 25-05-2007 »

B&H agree with you.
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« Reply #482 on: 10:56:25, 25-05-2007 »

Dimitry Shopstercowitz had three wives, no less. In this respect he was like Arnold Dolmetsch who also had three wives. Is there any known case of a composer having more than three wives? Surely this tells us something very important about the man and his music that has not hitherto been given the weight it should have been. Specifically we learn at once what really mattered to him in his scheme of things. We do not find him to have been a spiritual sort of person at all.


The Scots composer and pianist Eugene d'Albert had loads of wives - about six, I think. He is said to have 'likened his wives to Beethoven symphonies, and said that he intended to marry until he got up to the ninth, with chorus'.  I also discover that one of his wives was the Venezuelan pianist, singer and composer Teresa Carreño (1892-95), herself much married.

This is not really relevant to Dmitri Sergeyevich, though!
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« Reply #483 on: 11:01:17, 25-05-2007 »

What about Muradeli's symphony (first of the fourth, may be he did not write second and third).
I never heard Muradeli's symphony. I know his patriotic songs.
What kind of symphonies are they? I think they probably sound like his songs.

I think Leschetizky had many wives. Esipova was his student too. This is not relevant to Schostakovich. I don't know why Leschetizky had so many wives, but people liked him, his students adored him, he was very cosmopolian man, he helped a lot of people and he was a very good musician, pianist and teacher.
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« Reply #484 on: 11:11:34, 25-05-2007 »

He is said to have 'likened his wives to Beethoven symphonies, and said that he intended to marry until he got up to the ninth, with chorus'.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Btw, I assume 1892-95 were the dates of d'Albert's marriage to the lovely Sta Carreño, not her dates on this earth ...
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« Reply #485 on: 22:46:19, 30-05-2007 »

It’s been a while since much activity here and I wondered if anyone had heard the new recording of Symphonies 5 and 9 by the Russian National Orchestra in their ongoing cycle? Unusually, it’s being shared between members of their conducting collegiate – Jurowski, Pletnev, Berglund and Kreizberg, who conducts this disc. Just listened to the 5th and it’s quite a performance. It’s very well engineered, with a warm, luxurious sound that really allows for a lot of orchestral detail to be heard. The rendition of the 5th is polished and, in terms of tempi, similar to Rostropovich’s LSO recording, although the LSO live disc has rather disappointing sound quality. A pretty straightforward 1st movement - well played, although I miss, inevitably, the characterful Russian woodwind of years past. The second movement strikes me as a bit too careful, especially compared to the helter-skelter of Kondrashin, Gergiev and, especially, Mravinsky in his live 1984 Leningrad performance, where the woodwind are fabulous. Kreizberg’s 3rd movement is very slow indeed – over 15 and a half minutes, and though the sound is beautiful, I think Kondrashin’s tempo (he comes in at just over 12 mins) makes it seem more passionate and tragic by turns; the RNO strings, in particular, do play wonderfully though, very expressive, haunting, and the slower tempo does make it harrowing at the climax.

The finale sees another big difference for me; where Kondrashin, Mravisnky and, especially, Gergiev fire off the final bars quickly, almost dismissively, Kreizberg’s ending is very slow and deliberate, sounding pompous, hollow and grim at the same time. Is it often performed this way? It’s a real contrast to the Gergiev, although the latter is very exciting and has tremendously effective bass drum blows blasting you from your seat at the close! This RNO performance is well worth hearing, I think, especially the 3rd and 4th movements. It will be interesting to see how this cycle progresses, especially with the split conducting duties.
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« Reply #486 on: 22:08:20, 14-09-2007 »

It's ages since I've posted anything on this thread, and I'm still collecting material for the last movement of 4, but I've an addition to make to my comments on the middle movement. Thanks to the kindness of another member, I have now been able to hear the two-piano arrangement of the symphony, which has very helpfully confirmed something that I'd wondered about at the end of the middle movement. In the 'ticking' section right at the end, I was aware that the alternate notes for castanet and woodblock often sound as if they're pitched a fourth apart, although the score specifies no pitch for either instrument, which are each notated on separate single lines. Obviously in the piano version no unspecified pitches can occur (unless as clusters) so it comes as very pleasant confirmation of my suspicion to discover that exactly the fourth I'd expected -  D to A - is what is played.
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« Reply #487 on: 22:18:35, 14-09-2007 »

Deerstalker hats off to our Sherlock Shostakovich - bravo for such tenacity, Ron Smiley
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« Reply #488 on: 13:47:39, 30-10-2007 »

Many Members have we know a great deal of respect for Gerald Abraham; he was as almost every one will be aware indisputably the most eminent English authority on the subject of serious Russian music, and indeed he stands with Tovey Newman and Cardus as one of the greatest critics of all time does he not.

This week we acquired his book Eight Soviet Composers, first published in the year 1943.

The first chapter is devoted to Shotsacowitch. Here are some of the expressions Abraham uses in respect to the five Shotsacowitch symphonies with which he was at the time of publication familiar. The following are all Abraham's own words, with the exception of our own occasional comments within square brackets:

1) Shotsacowitch's reputation really rests on little more substantial than the brilliant First Symphony, which was his thesis for the final examination at the Conservatoire. It was polished by his teacher, Maximilian Steinberg, and that is the reason why Shotsakovich never again did anything as good.

2) The First of May symphony Opus 20 [theThird] is a much poorer work than the First Symphony. Mob-oratorical and hysterical. No musical logic. [We ourselves have already attempted to point that out.] Obvious, merciless, rowdy. A stranger hotch-potch of commonplace, bad taste and misdirected cleverness has never been called a symphony.

3) The Fifth Symphony: ironic, unconvincing, amounts to not very much musically, grotesque, malicious, tame, banal,  undistinguished. Shotsacowitch cannot write even a moderately good tune. [Abraham says this twice in the one chapter!]

4) The Sixth Symphony: vulgar.

5) The Seventh Symphony: naively programmatic; certainly arouses a feeling of hatred but not against the National Socialists, rather against the composer; disappointing.

[Abraham was such a good critic we think! We hope that reading this will strengthen the resistance of those Members who have been told they ought for political reasons to enjoy Shotsacowitch but have never been able to bring themselves to stomach his "music." Incidentally we cannot find a photograph of Steinberg - or Shtaynberg as his name is sometimes spelled. Perhaps we should learn to use a Russian search engine.

Here is a new photograph we found of Shotsacowitch as a youth - even then no smile, and what a look of contempt on his face!


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« Reply #489 on: 14:00:08, 30-10-2007 »


 The following are all Abraham's own words,

They are indeed not.

Abrahams did not use the spelling of the composer's name given above.

The entire posting and everything contained within it is immediately reduced to nullity by the purposed distortions made by the poster.  This "joke" passed its sell-by date on TOP, and its continued use renders the member's "contributions" to the topic of Shostakovich worthless.
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« Reply #490 on: 15:47:19, 30-10-2007 »

How intriguing it would be to read Abraham's later thoughts on the subject. He did after all did not he pass away in 1988 by which time he had had the opportunity to appreciate Sjostakovitsj's work as a totality? An opportunity he would hardly have had in 1943.
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« Reply #491 on: 16:14:14, 30-10-2007 »

Steinberg's portrait may be seen below (all one has to do is drop the correct cyrillic spelling of his name into a search engine like yandex.ru).  It is uncertain what shoes he wore or how his trousers were ironed - apparently essential data to a correct understanding of a composer's output?


Steinberg's own output is worth some time.  His Symphony No 4 was dedicated to the newly-completed rail project linking Siberia (Novosibirsk) with Central Asia (Semipalatinsk at the time, although the line now runs to present-day Almaty), and is entitled "Turk-Sib" ("Turkestan-Siberian").  The railway also inspired a documentary film which was accompanied by a poster that became famous in its own right.
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« Reply #492 on: 17:18:35, 30-10-2007 »

Steinberg's portrait may be seen below (all one has to do is drop the correct Cyrillic spelling of his name into a search engine like yandex.ru).

One small step for Mr. McHeit - one great leap for the Membership. We are ever so grateful to possess the photograph!
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« Reply #493 on: 19:12:07, 30-10-2007 »

Steinberg's portrait may be seen below (all one has to do is drop the correct Cyrillic spelling of his name into a search engine like yandex.ru).

One small step for Mr. McHeit - one great leap for the Membership. We are ever so grateful to possess the photograph!


I once made that mistake! I gossipped wi' Curley in't Rovers when 'e told me about his new job on't bins. I said "Oh Curley, you 've done well - one small step for Curley, one great leap for 't bins".

And do you know - the blummin'ummer corrected me! He said "No Ena - it's 'one giant leap'...". I could 'ave killed the little so-and-so!
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« Reply #494 on: 22:08:09, 30-10-2007 »




(This is not Shostachowidz.)
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