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Author Topic: Barrett at Spitalfields  (Read 2592 times)
Vashti
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« on: 10:51:47, 18-06-2007 »

Terrific concert last Saturday:

Richard Barrett - Flechtwerk
Richard Barrett & fORCH - fOKT IV

I thought "Flechtwerk" was super (and what a performance); best clarinet/piano duo I know since Maxwell Davies's "Hymnos".
I heard it as a piece in two halves - the first of which was extremely dense (everything at once) and a stunning second half where 
it massively thinned out and the materials - and (often unison) workings between the players - revealed themselves.

Some of the sounds in "fOKT IV" where not always to my taste/interest (e.g. the electronic sounds at the beginning), but some of the textures were stunning and I found the unfolding clear and compelling. With all the hand signals and eye contact between the players, there seemed a degree of prior construction, so, if Richard is happy to talk about his own work here, I'd love to ask him the obvious nerdy question: could you tell us about the decision making that took place prior to the performance?
Also, the male vocalist was rather visually striking with his constant and various contorted facial expressions, almost as if he was performing the theatrical part of a .... madman. Considering everything else was pretty much PURE MUSIC, I am curious to know how he, and anyone else, felt about that.   
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richard barrett
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« Reply #1 on: 18:13:04, 18-06-2007 »

Thanks Vashti.

Flechtwerk would (as you'll be aware) have been a lot clearer if the acoustic hadn't been so reverberant, but it should be possible to hear the details well in the broadcast recording.

As for fOKT IV, we all played from a score which consisted of one page with the overall form, entries and exits and structural proportions, who cues each section etc., and another couple of pages with explanations of the shorthand used in the main page - eg. T4 in the main score, ie. texture no.4, is explained thus:

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almost exclusively short sounds with longer silences between, so that every sound can be heard no matter how many are playing

each sound for each player should be different from every other, in pitch, dynamic, duration (of sound and/or ensuing silence), timbre etc., so that the result is a complex texture of individual points, each differently shaped and coloured

Apart from "textures" there are "duos", "trios" and "coordinated events" and so on, some of which are described as specifically as this example, others in a couple of words, others just in terms of instrumentation or not at all. The idea is that this framework acts as a focus for improvisation without circumscribing it. It also allows the resonsibility for cueing to be spread right around the ensemble, so that each player is at one point or another responsible for determining the flow of the music.

As for Phil Minton's facial expressions, I gather that these are at least to some extent necessary in order to produce and project the diverse vocal sounds, rather than being connected with any kind of role-playing.
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« Reply #2 on: 18:23:58, 18-06-2007 »

As for Phil Minton's facial expressions, I gather that these are at least to some extent necessary in order to produce and project the diverse vocal sounds, rather than being connected with any kind of role-playing.
Yes, I did wonder if that was the explanation. Unfortunately I found it hard not to 'read' meaning into them, with the result that I felt the piece would have been a very significantly different thing without him in it. (This might well not be the case in a broadcast/recording.)

What do you think are the important considerations (if any), Richard, when including voices in such a performance? Does one have to be more careful about avoiding unwanted significations with the human voice?
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Vashti
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« Reply #3 on: 20:58:00, 18-06-2007 »

Thank you for that Richard.
That makes good sense, and I like the idea that at different points individuals control the mass (that was clear in the performance, especially when the fab drummer took charge).

I wonder if you conceive of the laptops as having equal status with the instrumentalists?
Aside from the opening (the trio between between the 2 laptops and trumpet) I generally wasn't able to work out what sounds the laptops were contributing.
Does it matter that the laptops don't have the same identity or presence as the players, whose participation you can follow/evaluate?

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richard barrett
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« Reply #4 on: 22:36:29, 18-06-2007 »

I think I must have seen Phil perform so many times that I no longer notice that he can look a bit deranged when he's singing. Anyway I find watching say Cecilia Bartoli much more offputting.

What do you think are the important considerations (if any), Richard, when including voices in such a performance? Does one have to be more careful about avoiding unwanted significations with the human voice?

At the risk of seeming to dodge the question, when the group was originally being put together, the primary considerations were more to do with maximising its timbral/articulational range and possible subgroupings and "symmetries" with only eight performers (hence 2 voices, 2 melody instruments, 2 electronic instruments, (prepared) piano & percussion), and with the actual musical personalities and their possible relationship within such a collective, than with "unwanted significations" - since it's principally an improvising group, once (say) Phil is part of it, anything and everything he does is by definition "wanted".

I wonder if you conceive of the laptops as having equal status with the instrumentalists?
Yes. The idea is that with the addition of the keyboards and other external controllers, the laptops become instruments, albeit of a different species from the others. And most of the sounds they were producing were actually derived from the (previously recorded, edited and transformed) sounds of the other performers, which is one reason why it might not always have been possible to tell who was doing what. (Another is that the acoustic in the church did tend to iron out a lot of the perspective and "edges" of the music.)
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Vashti
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« Reply #5 on: 07:31:25, 19-06-2007 »

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Yes. The idea is that with the addition of the keyboards and other external controllers, the laptops become instruments, albeit of a different species from the others. And most of the sounds they were producing were actually derived from the (previously recorded, edited and transformed) sounds of the other performers, which is one reason why it might not always have been possible to tell who was doing what. (Another is that the acoustic in the church did tend to iron out a lot of the perspective and "edges" of the music.)

I often find that the prevailing aesthetic in improvised music is rather ascetic – individuals always matching/blending, and never contrasting/contradicting. I find this rather tiresome, and so one of the reasons I enjoyed this performance as much as I did was that players had scope to “go with” and “go against” - and there was some striking “going against” moments (e.g. unexpected loud percussive smashes) that in an instant changed the context.

That said, I didn't find the laptops had this scope in the same way as the instrumentalists. First, there are two laptops and we don’t know which one of you is making particular sounds, so we can’t identify and follow the contribution in the same way as with one of the instrumentalists. And second, as all the laptop’s sound resources are derived from the players, it doesn’t feel like it plays on equal terms as it doesn’t have its own material identity; electronically deranged trumpet still makes me look at the trumpet player.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #6 on: 10:56:55, 19-06-2007 »

I agree about the prevailing aesthetic of improvised music. To me (and my colleagues on Saturday evening) what the music "says", structurally and poetically, is as much to do with the relationships between sounds as with the sounds themselves. The fact that so much (but by no means all!) improvised music is predicated on somewhat oversimplified interrelationships makes it easy for many to regard it as being in itself inferior or limited in scope relative to notated music, which in my opinion is very far from the truth.

I should add that whatever variety of response between the musicians there may have been on Saturday wasn't principally because of my score! (Many of the most interesting moments, for me at least, came about through the score being flouted rather than followed.) The musicians were of course carefully chosen for their abilities and propensities, in addition to which, when the ensemble was put together for the first time we had the luxury of five full days of rehearsal/recording followed by four concerts on consecutive days, which served better than any notation possibly could to develop a collective musical personality.

Regarding the laptops, though, I don't see the situation the same way you do. Which one of us is making any particular sound, firstly, isn't really crucial, since we don't always know ourselves, the gear being set up so that it's more a case of a single instrument played by two people than a "duo" (and with twenty years of performing together behind us). Also, not all the electronic sounds are derived from the other players, although this was the case in the opening trio, and in the later trio with viola. I think you might, on hearing the broadcast recording, eventually change your mind about how equal the terms are. On the other hand you might not, and I certainly have no wish to try and tell you how to listen!
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Vashti
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« Reply #7 on: 11:35:20, 19-06-2007 »

I hope I am not going on about this, but I will continue as I find it interesting.

During the stretches of “fOKT IV” where the texture became homogenous, and likewise when it was ultra heterogeneous, I zoomed out and listened to the totality.

At other times, an instrumentalist or two would take my focus when they doing something both conspicuous and potentially consequential – something which might lead to a reaction from other players.

What I am trying to get at is that with the instrumentalists I could get involved in how they as individuals were thinking and responding. I am not saying like actors in a play or “conversational” classical chamber music, but nonetheless some more abstract form of communication. I could not get involved with the electronic sounds in the same way.

Is that fair, and if so, does it matter?


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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #8 on: 12:02:27, 19-06-2007 »

I'd submit that that's a function of several factors:

Electronic instruments can do anything  with sound, limited only by the imagination and know-how of the programmer. Thus limiting their ability to establish an 'identity'
Electronic instruments don't rely on a set of technical limitations as a source of expressive 'resistance,' such as the effort that comes with high notes, loud notes, or even clean intonation.
Electronic instruments need not be (and usually are not) embodied, which means they cannot rely on or make use of "gesture" beyond what they have been programmed to do, which by definition will be more primitive than gestures used by people
...but these 'human' standards are both a blessing and a curse. Schools of thought on electronic music are split into those who feel the 'embodied' dimension is what's lacking and those who think this lack is precisely the medium's strength.

Again, a word from someone who wasn't even AT the concert. Grump!
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richard barrett
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« Reply #9 on: 12:22:00, 19-06-2007 »

What I am trying to get at is that with the instrumentalists I could get involved in how they as individuals were thinking and responding. I am not saying like actors in a play or “conversational” classical chamber music, but nonetheless some more abstract form of communication. I could not get involved with the electronic sounds in the same way.

Is that fair, and if so, does it matter?
It's fair in so far as that was your experience... but for me the listening experience has at least as much to do with the sounds as musical "entities" as with the identification of individual contributions.

Schools of thought on electronic music are split into those who feel the 'embodied' dimension is what's lacking and those who think this lack is precisely the medium's strength.
I don't belong to either school of thought. I think the physical "embodiment" of the instrument is highly important in terms of lending the computer a comparable responsiveness and fluency to that of an "acoustic" instrument, although this also requires a comparable commitment to practising as does an acoustic instrument. While it might be said that the contact between player and instrument is distanced by there only being electrons and wires passing between the two, I don't see this as in essence so different from the complex machinery which puts a pianist into contact with the strings of his/her instrument.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #10 on: 12:39:45, 19-06-2007 »

Ergo?

ERGONOMICS:

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richard barrett
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« Reply #11 on: 22:01:21, 19-06-2007 »

Your point being, CD?

Lest it be unclear to anyone, I don't think the alphanumeric keyboard of a laptop is in any way suitable as a "performance interface" whether it's bent or not. My current one is a 61-key velocity- and pressure-sensitive keyboard with a row of 9 trackpads immediately above it and inputs for 3 control-voltage pedals and two switch (sustain) pedals. It was built for me by the Berlin-based engineer Sukandar Kartadinata, and a picture of it can be found here:

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/musictech/nime/onlineproceedings/Papers/NIME03_Kartadinata.pdf

... although the description is of a previous incarnation of the instrument where the keyboard controlled a dedicated onboard computer instead of an external laptop. This version suffered from slowness in loading sound-materials, and future versions (we hope) will re-integrate everything into the same case. The laptop itself is something of a visual distraction for the audience, I think, since listeners can't see what's on  the screen (it isn't that interesting, and most of the time I only look at it because it's sitting there in front of my face, in case I need to see (as opposed to only hearing) what's going on.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #12 on: 23:16:43, 19-06-2007 »

Sorry, that was purely silly, thanks for describing your interface.

What does the term "gluiph" mean?
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richard barrett
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« Reply #13 on: 12:46:19, 20-06-2007 »

What does the term "gluiph" mean?
I don't really know. It may be that its first four letter stand for "graphic-less user interface" but I'm not even sure about that.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #14 on: 14:10:24, 20-06-2007 »

Colin, the article Richard linked above explains things pretty well. Still, he might elaborate.

Anyhow, I read that thing again and didn't find an explanation for the name. It could have something to do with "glue" -- at one point he mentions glue code for the audio drivers. Because he mentions it in passing doesn't mean it isn't a critical feature of the technology. Of course, I can't pretend to know the meaning of glue code, but I could do some of my own snooping.

Now I just have to clarify the "iph" part -- something akin to "glyph"?
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