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« Reply #30 on: 07:38:01, 15-09-2008 »

I listened with more attention to the first piece Charlie Usher Rothko Monody. I could not understand what it has to do with Rothko. There was nothing in music that made me think of Rothko. Some people think they can attract people to their music with the name.
The second piece I did not listen as much. I was distracted.

After several days I still think it was good piece.
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« Reply #31 on: 08:15:28, 15-09-2008 »

I listened with more attention to the first piece Charlie Usher Rothko Monody. I could not understand what it has to do with Rothko. There was nothing in music that made me think of Rothko. Some people think they can attract people to their music with the name.

I think that's a bit unfair. Just because you didn't hear what it had to do with Rothko doesn't mean that the composer added the name just to entice people to listen to it. The interview with the composer before the performance seemed to explain at least why Rothko's paintings (or the presentation of them in art galleries) inspired him to write the piece.
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« Reply #32 on: 08:40:45, 15-09-2008 »

You are right. I heard the interview. I was just angry when I wrote that post.
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« Reply #33 on: 10:37:25, 15-09-2008 »

You are right. I heard the interview. I was just angry when I wrote that post.

That's why I tend to not post when I'm angry.
Actually if I get angry, I tend to log off and think about something else.
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« Reply #34 on: 23:06:49, 15-09-2008 »

The only piece of music i have heard connected to Rothko is Rothko Chapel by Morton Feldman
If im totally honest the music does not connect me to the paintings but i think if i heard it live might change my mind- anyway i love this piece - such atmosphere  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: 23:19:55, 15-09-2008 »

I'm sure I've said this before here (so apologies) but I heard Rothko Chapel IN the Rothko Chapel in Houston. It really was one of the most striking and moving musical experiences of my life, because the sounds and the canvasses melded into one, visionary entity. Sorry - that sounds naff, but I'm not sure how else to put it. It was utterly clear that Feldman not only understood, but almost inhabited Rothko's psychological world.

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« Reply #36 on: 09:08:41, 16-09-2008 »

And just a reminder that Tate Modern's big Rothko exhibition opens on 26 September. Details here: http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/markrothko/default.shtm

Composers should note that they will be asked to sign a declaration before entering that they promise not to write pieces inspired by them. It seems fair to me. 

A small grump in passing. I don't think the Tate's own Rothko's are displayed nearly as effectively in the new Tate Modern setting as they used to be at the Millbank Tate. Actually that's not a small grump: I'm really quite cross about it.
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« Reply #37 on: 09:13:45, 16-09-2008 »

Thanks for the reminder about that, George. I wouldn't miss it for the world! (Hmm. Sponsored by Cafe Nero, I see.)

And I do so agree about the in-house Rothkos. Grump shared.  Angry
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« Reply #38 on: 09:30:44, 16-09-2008 »

And I do so agree about the in-house Rothkos. Grump shared.  Angry
Now that is a relief. I thought it was just me.

On the other hand, it not being 'just me' means it really is a pity.
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« Reply #39 on: 12:08:16, 16-09-2008 »

Sydney - just a quibble with your terminology - am I not correct in thinking that the seconda prattica monody was always accompanied?

Yes Mr. Harmony is right - we were insufficiently systematic when looking up "monody" in the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music, and we now see that it does not actually mean "monophonic music" at all. We thank both him and Madame Pianiste for giving members their impressions of these compositions.


To-day we wish to add a little about the second work in the concert, namely "Chris" Litherland's "Funferall." The first thing to say is that a great many composers - from Bach and Mozart downwards - have written funeral music, and the general acceptation is we may assert without fear of contradiction that funerals are sad occasions. Or is that viewpoint perhaps restricted to Christians? Mr. Litherland refers us to ancient Roman funeral rites and we confess they constitute a subject that has not until now attracted our interest. We wonder at least whether they were anything like those of the ancient Greeks do we not? It may be a worthwhile subject but we regret to say that we are uninclined to get it up simply for Mr. Litherland's pleasure.

And then there is drunken revelry and the Dionysiac - again the inspiration of a good many composers. But the great question is why the composer might wish to shrink from the traditional sadness (with which most modern people seem happy) and cheer us - or is it himself? - up. Perhaps - if we may for a moment descend to individual psychological speculation - the poor lad suffered a recent death in the family and he found himself guiltily enjoying the post-exequial imbibitions.

Let us list one final quibble before moving on to the positive: it is the name "Joyce" which is frightfully off-putting! (We will shortly post in another thread what Wyndham Lewis had to say about him.) Can there be any one who has read right through "Finnegans Wake" for pleasure? And in respect to Joyce's stupid word "funferall" may we not again ask our youthful composer - despite his written and spoken commentaries - "Why?"

Now when we listen to the actual music - like that of his contemporary Charlie the work is too short! - we hear absolutely nothing that suggests a funeral! Funerals come to our mind only when we are told the curious title. All we in fact hear is revelry. The music is mostly Dukas of course with an admixture of Schoenberg around the Golden Calf. (It is in fact rather better than Schoenberg's rather cumbersome effort.)

In his spoken interview the composer mentions "joy" which must in our new century be an admirable motivation, but he rather spoils the effect by invoking in the same breath the name "Nancarrow" with its sordid air. Nevertheless the work provides pleasant listening all the way through. Mr. Litherland's xylophone has much more point and effectiveness than silly old Boulez's vibraphones; and he demonstrates an adequate feeling for harmony and rhythm. Triple time is an immemorial tradition in such music, and indeed we detect a touch of the rumpty-tumpties, even, which cannot be a bad thing. The musical world of England has long been crying out for a successor to the great Dr. Williams! - Alas there are now no longer any folk songs for young Mr. Litherland to collect . . . .
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« Reply #40 on: 12:19:53, 16-09-2008 »


Hmm. Should composers wear hats? Ever?

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« Reply #41 on: 12:30:14, 16-09-2008 »

Not to mention




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« Reply #42 on: 12:41:54, 16-09-2008 »

And will we ever be allowed to forget...


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« Reply #43 on: 12:49:34, 16-09-2008 »



Huh
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« Reply #44 on: 01:53:08, 17-09-2008 »


Excuse our ignorance but who is it Mr. Derks? Whoever it is the likeness has the appearance of accuracy. And those were evidently the days when the hair of one's beard was tended more carefully than that on one's head. But the personage of whom Mr. Litherland's hat in fact reminded us was this:


- who definitely was of course because our friend in the House had a "first hand" experience!
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