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« Reply #60 on: 18:18:45, 29-03-2007 » |
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Completely forgot the main point of my previous reply, which is that I think in another sense it's very apt that you mentioned Mexico, since one of the things that could be potentially very interesting for 21st-century music is the broadening of geographical reach for which surely Central and Latin America are the next obvious ports of call (or China, maybe? ... but I'm not so clear how that would work, despite certain indications).
Actually, what I'd like to think might happen is that those young composers we're talking about might evolve creatively in a way touched by the socialist movements in Latin America which still seem very fresh and full of potential there in a way they're maybe not in Europe. On the other hand, I haven't yet found any new music from Latin America that excites me as much as those countries do socially and politically (but maybe I'm being naive about the latter).
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richard barrett
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« Reply #61 on: 18:48:20, 29-03-2007 » |
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To what extent is that because students with certain inclinations/interests choose you as a teacher whereas others might choose, say, Simon Bainbridge or Julian Anderson or Michael Finnissy or Martin Butler?
I know you've already said it may or may not be indicative but I'm trying to pin you down more closely on whether the sort of trends we're talking about are a question of majorities or more a question of what's most interesting to you (which is by no means to say that what's interesting to you isn't, or shouldn't, be interesting to others too). Would be interested to hear people's thoughts on this both in relation to Britain and in relation to Europe (in which connection I'm particularly interested in your comments on the relative prominence of improvisational activity there).
I'm not just talking about students whom I personally supervise, but the research students in the department I work in as a whole, many of whom have been there longer than I have. In the other two countries outside the UK I've lived in for numbers of years, Germany and Holland, there are well-established festivals of or venues for improvised music which are at least on the level of financial and audience support as the equivalent events and places for contemporary notated composition (and often they're the same events and places as well, which is perhaps going to be the case at the Huddersfield festival in the future). It goes without saying that all kinds of non-commercial music are marginalised in relation to commercial music, but I don't see any emergent trend towards worsening or improvement in this situation: on the one hand, there's the enormous attention given to a declining number of musical personalities whose work can be readily assimilated by the market and sold using the language of advertising; on the other hand there's the technology that allows us, among other things, to have this very discussion across the Atlantic and across various other less geographical social boundaries. I think Evan's point about notation becoming the result of a conscious decision rather than being a default position is rather important: if nothing else, such a development might encourage those who use notation to think more deeply about its nature and potential (and indeed limitations). Present company excluded, selbstverständlich.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #62 on: 20:19:04, 29-03-2007 » |
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on the other hand there's the technology that allows us, among other things, to have this very discussion across the Atlantic and across various other less geographical social boundaries. That is an extremely welcome development; the possibilities in terms of quick accessibility of information and communications that are bequeathed by the internet change much, overall for the better I would say (though perhaps the easy accessibility of certain information in that respect encourages a more surface skimming of lots of things in place of any deeper engagement with anything?). At the moment, there does seem a certain 'joyful anarchy' about the internet, which allows much in the way of exchanges and discussions without external forces preying down upon us. I just wonder - will that situation necessarily last? As internet companies consolidate their interests into ever more monolithic entities, as commercial interests colonise most corners of the internet, and as malicious figures attempt to take over whatever they can (something that happens already in, say, a lot of political forums which are flooded with far-right hate-filled messages to such an extent that it drives most others away), are we maybe experiencing a honeymoon period?
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« Reply #63 on: 21:47:11, 29-03-2007 » |
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I'm a bit late with this observation owing to late calls in the day job. Evan's pertinent stuff about notation and Ian's note about software reminds me of a score I heard by an advanced student at the RAM some years ago- I think no less a persoange than Ligeti was in the audience and Gary Howarth was conducting. Anyway, the half-time score was totted up in the crush bar, and I recall someone saying that this very intricate piece was written for the samples on the (Sibelius) software rather than live performance. Given the aforementioned scarcity of 2nd performances, especially full orchestral scores, I thought this was poignant and ... I guess now, futuristic. Film composer graduates, like the one I met on the train the other day hungry for work, routinely use string synthesiser programmes and ones like Garritan are incredibly intricate of nuance.(His is, also rather poignantly, called "Vienna")
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« Reply #64 on: 22:11:10, 29-03-2007 » |
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...the half-time score was totted up in the crush bar...
Pardon my Yankeeness, if that is in fact the problem, but could someone kindly explain to me just what this is supposed to mean?
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« Reply #65 on: 07:22:58, 30-03-2007 » |
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...the half-time score was totted up in the crush bar...
Pardon my Yankeeness, if that is in fact the problem, but could someone kindly explain to me just what this is supposed to mean? I don't think it is your Yankeeness, as I don't get it either. Sounds a bit like some obscure soccer or cricket jargon...
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richard barrett
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« Reply #66 on: 09:25:06, 30-03-2007 » |
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Completely forgot the main point of my previous reply, which is that I think in another sense it's very apt that you mentioned Mexico, since one of the things that could be potentially very interesting for 21st-century music is the broadening of geographical reach for which surely Central and Latin America Indeed several of the more interesting young composers I've come across recently originated in Central and South America. I hadn't identified this as a "trend" but, since you mention the idea, perhaps it is.
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« Reply #67 on: 13:50:44, 30-03-2007 » |
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I wondered if it might be worth collectively making some sort of list of the most interesting 21st century works (say, simply those written, or mostly written, after January 1st 2000) that we've heard or seen? Here's a handful from my favourites (in no sense a complete list in that manner, just some things that come immediately to mind):
Barrett - Dark Matter, faux departs, lost Birtwistle - Theseus Game, The IO Passion, Night's Black Bird Dillon - The Book of Elements (books 2-5), Andromeda, Fourth String Quartet Dusapin - Ā Quia, Perelā, homme de fumée, Faustus, the last night Ferneyhough - Shadowtime, Fifth String Quartet, Plotzlichkeit Finnissy - Kapitalistische Realisme, Le Demon de l'Analogie (chapters from the History of Photography in Sound written after the date in question, though parts of these were sketched beforehand). Lachenmann - NUN, Concertini Sciarrino - Macbeth
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #68 on: 13:52:56, 30-03-2007 » |
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...the half-time score was totted up in the crush bar...
Pardon my Yankeeness, if that is in fact the problem, but could someone kindly explain to me just what this is supposed to mean? I don't think it is your Yankeeness, as I don't get it either. Sounds a bit like some obscure soccer or cricket jargon... Presumably means 'when people shared their thoughts on the music in question'?
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« Reply #69 on: 16:22:31, 30-03-2007 » |
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..... list of the most interesting 21st century works (say, simply those written, or mostly written, after January 1st 2000) Ian, Year 2000 was the 100th year of the 20th century. Would that rule out any of your list?
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« Reply #70 on: 16:27:07, 30-03-2007 » |
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Erm...1999 was the 100th year of the 20th century. 0-99 makes a hundred numbers.
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« Reply #71 on: 16:32:49, 30-03-2007 » |
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Ah, but quartetone, there was no cypher (0), for the first year BC, so each century starts with year 1, not year 0. ;-)
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #72 on: 17:05:30, 30-03-2007 » |
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Well, how many of you celebrated the new millenium on the last day of 2000?
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #73 on: 17:10:31, 30-03-2007 » |
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Well I did, and at a party dedicated to the occasion, too.
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