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increpatio
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« on: 22:03:12, 25-05-2007 »

Hmm...you know that feeling when you have an mp3 player, and you have filled it up with music.  Then, whenever you get new music, what do you do, how do you handle this pruning?

Though I'm not really happy with it, I now put stuff on my iPod on a composer-by-composer basis - that is, if I have some works by a composer on my iPod, I have all the works by him I have on as well; I just can't bring myself to split them up.  This means, of course, that I've had to chop many people I dearly love from my list; last people I had say goodbye to were Granados and Villa-Lobos : (
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« Reply #1 on: 09:38:19, 26-05-2007 »

I think if I were starting again with a collection  I should follow the advice given many years ago by David Hall in 'The Record Book'. Number each disc with a little sticker, shelve them in number order,then enter the details in a loose-leaf book in any alphabetical order you choose,artist,composer,or cross-referenced, writing the disc number against each item . It is simple and fail-safe.

Whe I retired I decided to catalogue my CDs, partly to make some use of the Computer I bought some years ago for the boys, and the Microsoft Access I got when my other half was ona computer course, and after a failed attempt last year when I tried tommake the database too elaborate,I succeeded this year in getting the lot onto computer before my memory starts to fail and I can't remember what I've got.

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« Reply #2 on: 10:38:19, 26-05-2007 »

A database is essential for cataloguing all my recordings. Pre-recorded CDs aren't so much of a problem for me, it's the 1000+ minidiscs and 100s of CDs I've recorded myself, both on the PC and on an HD/CD recorder. I use Access which I find reasonable, despite being Microsoft  Wink

Unfortunately all older recordings - vinyl, cassette and reel-to-reel - aren't on the database but are catalogued in document files. I can't face the effort of migrating them and I rarely listen to any of that stuff anyway.

Of course I also have lots of notebooks containing hand-written info.

One thing I'm trying for CDs I've recorded myself is a ring-binder filing system - each page holds 8 discs and I just write a reference no on each CD, content details are held on the d/b. It's harder to do this for pre-recorded CDs because of the booklets, but I have seen the Arrowfile system advertised in Gramophone - I haven't tried it, has anyone else?
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« Reply #3 on: 13:26:16, 26-05-2007 »

Andy,

I too have used Access for the database of classical music, CDs and LPs, and still maintain an index card for LPs. Yes, several hours of work when I first began typing it up but it's very useful e.g. yesterday when asked how many recordings of a work..... I quickly found Beethoven's 5th was the top one for me  Smiley

Each work gets a line in the database, so for a CD of two concertos each concerto gets a line. My database has over 3600 lines (includes lots of songs, arias on CD/LP compilations) , but like the Beethoven 5th there are many repeats of works, not sure how many DIFFERENT works I have, maybe just 2000, no real idea to be honest.

The data in the table includes work, composer, columns for performers/soloist/singers, orchestra, conductor, label, cat. no., year recorded, and a few notes. So a quick column sort reveals I have 11 works performed by Rostropovich, 19 by Richter, remembering his name may appear in more than one column.

This is all very nerdy, I'll stop  Tongue

Oh I haven't mentioned jazz 78's, ok I wont. Roll Eyes


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« Reply #4 on: 13:42:28, 26-05-2007 »

Ah ok.  This in't what I meant to ask, but, for the record, I generally keep all of my stuff digitized on computer and use iTunes; for my physical collection I don't really have so much music built up that I can't keep it all together in three stacks.  My main problem with itunes is that you can't browse things by composer, only by "artist" (even though you can on an iPod).



so I keep the browse panel (with the genre/artist/album bit) turned off.

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Oh yeah, so what I *meant* to ask was this: I had a sixty gigabyte iPod.  Great.  Meant I could keep all my music on it, until I filled it up.  Then, whenever I wanted to add stuff, I would have to remove existing stuff.  I found these decisions really reallllly hard to make, and I'm not in any way satisfied with my current strategy (of removing whole composers, as opposed to bits and bobs I don't like to much by various people).
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« Reply #5 on: 14:34:38, 26-05-2007 »

OK, soz increpatio, I was responding to the thread rather than your initial posting, but, to answer that, I don't have an mp3 player or an iPod, because I don't find myself in a place where I would use them, and anyway the sound quality is inferior.

I don't see what your problem is. If I DID use one of those appliances then I'd probably select and load a fresh playlist every month, say, and go with that. I wouldn't fill the thing to bursting if I wasn't going to listen to it all during the next month.


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« Reply #6 on: 15:37:14, 26-05-2007 »

I don't generally preset my playlists; usually either am shuffling, or playing out whatever comes into my head.  But if I know that something's missing, it's always at the back of my mind that I can't listen to it immediately, should the thought occur to me.

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« Reply #7 on: 16:22:46, 26-05-2007 »

My main problem with itunes is that you can't browse things by composer
You can! (under Mac OS X anyway).

I know the problem with the full iPod. My solution is to have an external hard disc for overflow storage.
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« Reply #8 on: 17:28:39, 26-05-2007 »

I know the problem with the full iPod. My solution is to have an external hard disc for overflow storage.

Likewise Richard!
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« Reply #9 on: 19:26:20, 26-05-2007 »

My main problem with itunes is that you can't browse things by composer
You can! (under Mac OS X anyway).

I mean, using the three column-thing at the top, and not scrolling through them all manually(i know you can have a composer colume, and it's not the worst thing in the world to use, but still)?

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I know the problem with the full iPod. My solution is to have an external hard disc for overflow storage.

Yeah; I'm going to have to do this as soon as I can; have my hard-disk filled up; just waiting for a cheap drive to pop up somewhere so I can pounce on it.
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« Reply #10 on: 19:36:10, 26-05-2007 »

My main problem with itunes is that you can't browse things by composer
You can! (under Mac OS X anyway).

I mean, using the three column-thing at the top, and not scrolling through them all manually
Oh I see. No, you're right of course. I never use that browsing display, I just view the whole library, normally alphabetically under composers.
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« Reply #11 on: 19:52:38, 26-05-2007 »

Have to say this is my major iTunes gripe.  I would happily switch to some other media player if it worked and let me browse by composer in some sensible way.  Grrrrr.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:13:51, 26-06-2007 »

Oh, so I've settled on a different scheme: 10 GB of my most-listened to stuff, 35 GB of my least-listened to stuff, and 5 GB of my most recently added stuff.

Quite happy with the results!
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« Reply #13 on: 11:19:46, 27-06-2007 »

My problem with iTunes is that you have in the background, with all the metadata, a potentially quite powerful database, and then they give you a rubbishy old front end that only uses about a 10th of the potential. Now, if the browse was customisable to include as many or as few fields as you wanted, maybe a couple of user-defined queries - then you might have something.

As for increpatio's problem, I'm not quite at a one-in-one-out stage with my mp3 player, but I'm getting closer. My solution so far has been to burn onto CD all those things that I like owning, but don't honestly listen to all that often (as well as some things that don't lend themselves to listening on the move). Moving The Well-Tuned Piano and Feldman's String Quartet 2 onto CD freed up some space pretty quickly, for example!
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« Reply #14 on: 22:21:27, 27-06-2007 »

Well I bought a big hard disk a few weeks ago which really put things ok; it's not a case that I have to move stuff off my computer, it's just a matter of choosing what to bring about with me when I'm going around.

Funnily enough, I just added Feldman's S.Q.2 to my iPod this morning Smiley

But yeah, the next version of Mediamonkey will have most of these features that you're talking about.  Maybe then iTunes will finally be upgraded properly; not optimistic though : /
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