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Author Topic: Remake 2: The Remake  (Read 1262 times)
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« on: 11:53:37, 06-08-2008 »

Stanley Stewart was saying earlier that some films just cant be remade, eg Brief Encounter, he cites from an earlier post. What other films that just cannot be redone?
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« Reply #1 on: 13:37:45, 06-08-2008 »

Stanley Stewart was saying earlier that some films just cant be remade, eg Brief Encounter, he cites from an earlier post. What other films that just cannot be redone?
I've got one film that should not be redone anymore - Freaky Friday.  They really need to stop that.

And I was annoyed with the fact that they felt the need to remake The Producers and I've refused to watch it out of deference to Gene Wilder.  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: 13:43:50, 06-08-2008 »

Stanley Stewart was saying earlier that some films just cant be remade, eg Brief Encounter, he cites from an earlier post. What other films that just cannot be redone?

bbm - I'd hazard this list would be very long indeed. It might be easier to consider remakes that have worked. Breathless was an interesting remake of A bout de souffle. Interesting, but I still prefer the original any day. The Vanishing was also an interesting remake of Spoorloos (? Pim can correct me on my spelling here) since it was by the same director, but for an American audience. Funny Games has this treatment too, but I've yet to see the US version. Then, there's Van Sant's Psycho, again more interesting than anything else.

 
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« Reply #3 on: 13:53:20, 06-08-2008 »

Yes, ahh perhaps your right there. Remakes that have worked!! Anybody?
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« Reply #4 on: 15:35:10, 06-08-2008 »

 Thanks, BBM.    You gave me something to think about when I was cutting the grass and trimming the hedges.

A few quickies:

"Les Enfants du Paradis" (1945), directed by Marcel Carne:  life in the theatre boulevards of Paris, in 1840, was sharply evoked in Jacques Prevert's screenplay with wit and poignancy.   Where, today, could you muster arguably the best cast ever seen on film?   Arletty, Jean-Louis Barrault, Pierre Brasseur and Maria Casares?     The film used to have a regular summer season, at The Academy, Oxford St, W1, in the late 50s.    Nowadays, I still watch it with enormous pleasure on DVD.

"Casablanca" (1942).       Made in total chaos and bad temper but the ingredients are sheer perfection.

"Random Harvest" (1942), based on the novel by James (Goodbye Mr Chips) Hilton.     High, improbable romance between Ronald Colman & Greer Garson but it met the needs of a grim year, in 1942, and has had many subsequent outings on TV.    Very stylish.

"The Third Man" (1949) directed by Carol Reed with a taut script by Graham Greene.   Again, it would be hard to create the era and the desolation of life in a post-war partitioned Vienna.    Orson Welles appeared for 10 minutes and stepped into the history of the cinema by, allegedly, creating havoc on location and staggering Reed by writing his own exit speech about the value of different dynasties.  Is  this scene available on You Tube fellow technocrats?

"Some Like It Hot" (1959)    Yeah, a black and white print but, please, leave it alone.

Two films by Louis Malle.   "Lift To The Scaffold" (1958) and "Les Amants" in the same year.  Both films starred Jeanne Moreau and, apart from Barbara Stanwyck, I can't think of any actress who could express the elements of desire so well on the screen.

" Double Indemnity" (1944), directed by Billy Wilder.   A powerful combination of Barbara Stanwyck, Fred McMurray and Edward G Robinson who finds the flaw in the perfect murder.   Real noir.  Don't miss it.

Finally - among the instant quickies - a successful remake.    "Plain Soleil" (1960), directed by Rene Clement and based on Patricia Highsmith's intriguing novel; it also had a career-defining performance from Alain Delon.     It got rather a distinguished remake, in 1999, under the title "The Talented Mr Ripley" with Matt Damon.   Both stars very watchable.  VERY   Grin
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« Reply #5 on: 17:43:05, 06-08-2008 »

Talented Mr Ripley is good suggestion Stanley.

Did anyone see Hayne's Far From Heaven (remake of Sirk's All That Heaven Allows). It was pretty good, who would have thought that 50's melodrama could work today?. Plus Sirk himself remade Imitation of Life from a 1930's version. Hayne's film works for several reasons. His lush colour saturation suits both genre and the theme and, more importantly, he keeps the 50's setting, thus exploring that era's notions of socio-sexual clumsiness from the vantage point of the 00's.

De Palma's Blow Out, makes a good fist of Antonioni's Blow Up. De Palma's conceit is to shift the focus from the eye to the ear - a shift that should be appreciated by this board's members, even if the original is so astonishingly wonderful.

What about Magnificent Seven? Surely a classic of its genre, transplanting well from the Samurai genre.

In my last post I mentioned remakes by the same director. How could I have forgotten to mention Hitchcock's Man Who Knew Too Much- the 2nd version is surely better than the especially stiff 1st?

Next year Rodriguez will release Barbarella, I fail to see how this purveyor of cartoonish violence can handle a hippy free love kitsch-fest. Pr'aps I'll be proved wrong.

BTW - I think Brief Encounter was remade with Richard Burton (perhaps this has already been said) I think i saw it once on daytime tv. If I recall correctly, the film maintains the 40's setting so as not to derail the sexual morality of the original.
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« Reply #6 on: 21:08:10, 06-08-2008 »

The Ladykillers and The Italian Job should NOT have been remade - at least, not under the same name as the original film.




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« Reply #7 on: 22:00:56, 06-08-2008 »

The Italian Job (the original version) is one of the most aggressively xenophobic films ever made. Do you remember when Michael Caine speaks these lines, after the mafia are threatening to kill him and his gang?

Hey!

You'll be making a grave error if you kill us. There are a quarter of a million Italians in Britain. And they'll be made to suffer. Every restaurant, café, ice-cream parlour, gambling den and nightclub in London, Liverpool and Glasgow, will be smashed. Mr Bridger will drive them into the sea.


At the time this bit of dialogue would probably have been written, these words would have had a particular resonance. On June 19, 1967, then Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban made a speech to the United Nations, in which he claimed the following:

The Syrian Defense Minister, Hafiz Asad, said two days later:

"We shall never call for, nor accept peace, We shall only accept war ... We have resolved to drench this land with our blood, to oust you, aggres­sors, and throw you into the sea for good."


(see here for the full speech)

Now there are varying opinions as to what exactly Asad said - and the phrase of 'throwing into the sea' has been variously attributed to some Palestinian leaders as well; I'm not really in a position to judge it. But I believe this speech was widely reported at the time, and it's likely that Troy Kennedy Martin, the screenwriter, certainly a man with his eye on the news, would have known it. And it sounds extremely sinister; it makes no difference whether referring to Jewish people or Italians.

The spectre that Caine conjures up is horribly close to Kristallnacht (which was also organized in response to a shooting).
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« Reply #8 on: 22:07:10, 06-08-2008 »

Yeah, but then those bounders get scuppered in the final scene.  Wink

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« Reply #9 on: 22:36:43, 06-08-2008 »

Yeah, but then those bounders get scuppered in the final scene.  Wink


True, finally Hollywood makes a film so xenophobic that the principle action sequences are not set or filmed in Italy, with a happy ending where criminals are seen to profit from their activities. Meanwhile, A bus full of cockney gangsters is still hanging off the edge of an Italian cliff.


EDIT: Hey, dearest mods - any chance all these remake posts could be moved to thread of their own, now that we've got a whole Cinema section? Think of it as Remake 2: The RemakeSmiley

EDIT 2: The final cut. GOSH - you are faster than 1/24th of a second! I'm impressed  Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: 22:48:09, 06-08-2008 »

As requested.
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« Reply #11 on: 22:48:32, 06-08-2008 »

Cool.  Cool
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« Reply #12 on: 23:21:03, 06-08-2008 »

Now, I'm with Milly about both the Italian Job and Ladykillers. The former mildy irritates, but it's not such a bad action movie I guess. However, the latter really confuses me. How can the people who made Blood Simple, Fargo, No Country For Old Men make such an ill-conceived film? It's like the Coen brothers are still in the studio system and under contract to churn 'em out. (Hudsucker Proxy is equally rubbish)
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« Reply #13 on: 23:27:46, 06-08-2008 »

Now, I'm with Milly about both the Italian Job and Ladykillers.
I'm confused - I can't find a post from Milly about this. Where should I be looking? Cheesy
I did find the martle quote back on the first Film thread though!

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« Reply #14 on: 23:31:40, 06-08-2008 »

oops - my mistake, got all confused with the new thread! Roll Eyes
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