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« Reply #30 on: 21:36:11, 07-08-2008 » |
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Of course it would have to be a good remake to better Hitchcocks Psycho but the remake although a frame by frame remake was a pale shadow of the original and a complete waste of time imo
On the other hand the remake of Cape Fear with Robert De Niro playing the psychopath was superb but then again the original was pretty good too!
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« Reply #31 on: 00:43:03, 08-08-2008 » |
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Of course it would have to be a good remake to better Hitchcocks Psycho but the remake although a frame by frame remake was a pale shadow of the original and a complete waste of time imo
I think that was the point. Van Sant has been very cynical about Hollywood, both industry and practice. His slavish shot by shot copy (albeit in colour and with contempory dialogue, mis en scene etc) is both a comment upon Hitchcock adoration and a side swipe about the perceived need to remake in the first place. Ie. who can improve upon the master? & Why can't new generations appreciate classic old films? However, I'm not sure he gets away with this conceit. I find the film interesting, but not entirely successful. Indeed, I think the slavish remake should have been more pure, i.e. using black and white stock (as Hitch had chosen remember - he could have use colour) and keeping the dialogue, dated as it was. (Notice how Brick revitalised 1940's film speak for a 00's generation - van Sant could have done similarly) Slightly off topic - but did anyone see Douglas Gordon's 24 hour Pyscho? (Or his Vertigo piece some years later) That was a great deal more successful on the Hitchcock adoration front. Stanley - Sirk is fantastic! I'm sorely tempted by the box set! I'm taking it no one saw Far From Heaven? Shame - the sumptuous excess of melodrama is deftly handled in it. |
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« Reply #32 on: 02:21:34, 08-08-2008 » |
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While it wasn't a remake, I rather enjoyed the recreation of the look of 1940's celluloid for the movie "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow"
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« Reply #33 on: 10:36:28, 08-08-2008 » |
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Hang on, I have seen a remake.
The latest King Kong (Jack Black et al) on the biggish screen at the Rio Dalston, and the original (Fay Wray et al) on the small screen a long time ago.
Since special effects are what it is all about I suppose the remake was an improvement. The touching element was still there - all Fay Wray did was scream, didn't she?
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« Reply #34 on: 22:55:16, 11-08-2008 » |
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Sirk is fantastic! I'm sorely tempted by the box set! I'm taking it no one saw Far From Heaven? Sorry - I did! I didn't respond before because I don't know any Sirk, so I can't compare, but I certainly thought Far from Heaven was a very skilful exercise in stylistic/period pastiche (clever of him to get an old-fashioned orchestral soundtrack out of the by-then octogenarian Elmer Bernstein). I really must get to know some Sirk. As some people know I'm quite obsessed with Wong Kar-Wai, who I've been told several times is very Sirkian too (the later films I suppose, not the early MTV-style pop-culture love-ins). |
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« Reply #35 on: 23:24:54, 11-08-2008 » |
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In my last post I mentioned remakes by the same director. How could I have forgotten to mention Hitchcock's Man Who Knew Too Much- the 2nd version is surely better than the especially stiff 1st?
Yes but why did Hitchcock do a second version of The 39 Steps? I find the original (1939?) B&W is loads more gripping than the (1958?) remake. I agree on Italian Job and Ladykillers. And I agree with Stanley on The Third Man. However, I would love to see a remake of it only only the basis it would mean the original would end up being repeated more often. Isn't 'The Fallen Idol' (A Carol Reed film based on another Greene Story) a one off? But then the Greene Story is itself a remake - or was it re-written by Greene as another story later? So is there a film of the other version of the story? Tommo |
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« Reply #36 on: 23:35:18, 11-08-2008 » |
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Have there been many remakes of cartoon films as live-action films? 101 Dalmations springs to mind. I love the background paintings of the original film. Beautifully done. Too much slapstick in the second, but I suppose it was a very successful film. Both films irritate me though for the simple reason that it should be Pongo and Missus - Perdita was the 3rd adult dalmation in the story - and liver-spotted not black and white!
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« Reply #37 on: 23:57:02, 11-08-2008 » |
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# 35 Hi, Tommo. 'The Thirty Nine Steps' had two remakes. The original was directed by Hitchcock in 1935 but the subsequent remakes were directed by Ralph Thomas in 1959 (Kenneth More was Richard Hannay) and by Don Sharp in 1978. Robert Powell as Hannay. You may have confused two versions of "The Man Who Knew Too Much" both directed by Hitchcock; in 1934 with Leslie Banks and Edna Best; and again in 1956 with James Stewart and Doris Day. Remember the crescendo on the cymbals which was timed to coincide with the shooting in the Albert Hall? Also, you've now got me singing the top ten hit single of the day, "Que sera, sera; what ever will be, will be; the future's not ours to see, Que sera, sera! " O, m'youth, m'youth!  |
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« Reply #38 on: 00:17:46, 12-08-2008 » |
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# 35 again. The plot thickens, Tommo. I've just had a post -midnight magnificent obsession. There was no remake of "The Fallen Idol" (1948), adapted from a Graham Greene short story but there was two versions of his "End of the Affair" in 1954 and 1999. The later version with Ralph Fiennes, Julianne Moore and Stephen Rea was more effective; the earlier version had Van Johnson, Deborah Kerr and Peter Cushing.
I'm equivocal about a remake of 'The Third Man' (1949) - Tom Hanks as Harry Lime?
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« Reply #40 on: 08:57:17, 12-08-2008 » |
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The Fallen Idol. For some reason I have the image fixed in my head of Kenneth More in the role played by Richardson. I've obviously got my wires crossed with something else. But what, I wonder  |
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« Reply #41 on: 11:48:50, 12-08-2008 » |
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# 35 Hi, Tommo. 'The Thirty Nine Steps' had two remakes. The original was directed by Hitchcock in 1935 but the subsequent remakes were directed by Ralph Thomas in 1959 (Kenneth More was Richard Hannay) and by Don Sharp in 1978. Robert Powell as Hannay.
Ah, yes. Sorry. Don't know why I thought the 2nd was also a Hitchcock. Probably as you say a mental mix up with The Man Who Knew Too Much. Anyway, explains why I like the 35 version more than the 59 one. Tommo |
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« Reply #42 on: 12:11:19, 12-08-2008 » |
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# 35 again. The plot thickens, Tommo. I've just had a post -midnight magnificent obsession. There was no remake of "The Fallen Idol" (1948), adapted from a Graham Greene short story ..... I wasn't clear last night. And I was also wrong. I knew there was only one version of The Fallen Idol (which is brilliant!). I had in my head that Greene had written another story like the one used for the film. This is sort of true - Greene adapted The Basement Room when he wrote the screenplay for The Fallen IdolWhere I was mistaken was that I thought someone had made a film of the original story, The Basement Room. I can't find one anywhere on Mr Goggle's website. For anyone wanting to know the difference, please see the film and read the book. But you can cheat hereTommo |
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« Reply #43 on: 12:34:24, 12-08-2008 » |
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Further remakes of Graham Greene include 'The Quiet American', originally in 1957 with Michael Redgrave and in 2002 with Michael 'not many people know that' Caine.
# 40 Merely a hunch, mort. Could you be thinking of "The Admirable Crichton' (1957) in which Kenneth More, the manservant, reverses his role when shipwrecked on a Pacific island with Lord Loam (Cecil Parker) and family?
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« Reply #44 on: 12:54:08, 12-08-2008 » |
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# 40 Merely a hunch, mort. Could you be thinking of "The Admirable Crichton' (1957) in which Kenneth More, the manservant, reverses his role when shipwrecked on a Pacific island with Lord Loam (Cecil Parker) and family?
Cripes Stanley! How embarrassing if that's what my memory has done. There couldn't be two more different films!  Although given the initial grand house setting, it is entirely possible that's how my wires got crossed and scrambled everything.  |
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