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« Reply #15 on: 01:02:50, 18-05-2007 » |
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Although, a CHELSEA strip?? Ugh. I think it's generally acknowledged that that was one of Max Clifford's more imaginative inventions. Not sure about the prediliction shared with Sarah Ferguson, though.....
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« Reply #16 on: 11:02:19, 18-05-2007 » |
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Hi,John,I never said Mellor does not inform you. My concern is that he may be misinforming you.
I think he got the job broadcasting about music because he was already famous rather than on the strength of his musical knowledge,which I for one find unimpressive when I compare him with more knowledgeable people who don't get a chance to broadcast. Its the same with Titchmarsh.There's the danger theye will tell you something untrue and you'll believe it because theyr'e famous.
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« Reply #17 on: 16:59:50, 18-05-2007 » |
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smittims, Yes but Mellor is at my level, and you criticised him for that which suggests an intolerance of the amateur music-lover who has a broadcasting ability. Mellor has no reason to mis-inform (he is not promoting chart CDs in the most-wanted list), he plays works rarely heard elsewhere on the station and does more than read off the CD notes. He will say if he's quoting the notes, and then will say what is his opinion. His programme has a sort of catch-phrase 'if you liked that then you'll like this' which gives the show a continuity that will often capture one's attention for the whole duration of the programme. I'm disappointed with Titchmarsh on R2, he 'witters', provides little in the way of information and his show is too broad - it can feature David Oistrakh, Janet Baker, Arthur Askey and John Travolta in one show Cheers John W
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« Reply #18 on: 05:33:42, 19-05-2007 » |
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It can only be a matter of time before Titchmarsh wheels out some Mario Lanza impressions. Better dig into the herbaceous border while theres still time. 'If you like that then you'll like this'...it has a certain policy announcement ring to it doesnt it?
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« Reply #19 on: 10:28:53, 19-05-2007 » |
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I found Mellor bumptious and somewhat obnoxious as a politician...full of himself and a shameless self-publicist.
However, he was certainly one of the better things about the last Conservative government (and, let's fact it, there weren't many of those, were there?)....before his destruction by the press, he managed to stave off right-wing attacks on the BBC and would have probably made a very good Culture Secretary, had he been allowed to continue. He would certainly have been more of a friend to the Arts than the God-awful Tessa Jowell.
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« Reply #20 on: 13:03:22, 19-05-2007 » |
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...full of himself and a shameless self-publicist.
Can anyone name a successful, well-known British politician who does not satisfy that description? I'm not partisan when it comes to politics but I'm getting a bit tired of all this "we all hate the nasty Tories" bandwagon that's apparent on this board. It's sooooo 1997. I had an argument with a couple of associates of mine a few months ago. They were both giving vent to their hatred of Margaret Thatcher and yet they both had good jobs with British Telecom, one of her creations, and yes, they had both profited from buying shares in the company.
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« Reply #21 on: 13:12:38, 19-05-2007 » |
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I'm not partisan when it comes to politics but I'm getting a bit tired of all this "we all hate the nasty Tories" bandwagon that's apparent on this board. It's sooooo 1997. Have the Tories improved since then? I hadn't noticed.
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« Reply #22 on: 13:23:44, 19-05-2007 » |
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Have the Tories improved since then? I hadn't noticed.
I'm no authority to comment on that, but the argument that everything Tory is bad is such a blunt one as to be meaningless and I would have expected rather more sophisticated arguments on this board. That was the way of thinking in 1997, when Tony Blair and new Labour where the shining heroes, but people are a bit wiser now. All I'm saying is that there have been unscrupulous and hypocritcal politicians in other parties too, and some decent Conservatives, and I don't just mean during the last ten years. I hope I haven't started a political argument here as we've had enough of those in past months but I thought the balance just needed correcting a little.
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« Reply #23 on: 13:32:25, 19-05-2007 » |
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All I'm saying is that there have been unscrupulous and hypocritcal politicians in other parties too, and some decent Conservatives, and I don't just mean during the last ten years.
I hope I haven't started a political argument here as we've had enough of those in past months but I thought the balance just needed correcting a little.
My feeling is that virtually all politicians from all parties are unscrupulous and hypocritical, and my comment on Tories should in no way be understood as implying the slightest support for Labour or the Liberal Democrats. It is however my opinion that, after the two world wars, the government of Margaret Thatcher was the third most catastrophic thing to befall Britain in the 20th century, and the more time goes on the clearer this becomes to me. I don't wish to start an argument either - I haven't yet heard the argument that could change my mind on this particular subject!
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« Reply #24 on: 09:45:53, 20-05-2007 » |
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Hi,John,you say 'Mellor is at my level, and you criticised him for that which suggests an intolerance of the amateur music-lover who has a broadcasting ability.'
Well,no, I criticise him for posing as a knowledgeable professional and being paid as such, when he is not. And I certainly intended no criticism of you;Ilm veryb sorry of it cameover as such.
I'm an amateur music lover myself and never claim to be anything else. But I do expect paid broadcasters to be better-informed ;after all,many listeners with little musical knowledge rely on them for their listening choices .
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« Reply #25 on: 09:54:13, 20-05-2007 » |
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Hi,John,you say 'Mellor is at my level, and you criticised him for that which suggests an intolerance of the amateur music-lover who has a broadcasting ability.'
Well,no, I criticise him for posing as a knowledgeable professional and being paid as such, when he is not. And I certainly intended no criticism of you;Ilm veryb sorry of it cameover as such. smittims, you criticised Mellor's knowledge because it was no more than A-level music. I thought that was unfair. For someone who just wants to share music on the radio I think that level of knowledge is sufficient. But I do expect paid broadcasters to be better-informed ;after all,many listeners with little musical knowledge rely on them for their listening choices . For the audience aimed at, I think Mellor is more than competent. John W
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« Reply #26 on: 10:22:46, 20-05-2007 » |
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Thanks, John.I suggest to avoid boring other readers we agree to differ on this one!
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« Reply #27 on: 12:05:46, 21-05-2007 » |
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The knee-jerk leftism one encounters everywhere today is indeed very depressing.
The Tories are unpopular for several reasons: those with memories of the Thatcher/Major years recall them as alternately nasty or incompetent, when they were not being both simultaneously.
Younger people perceive them as a vapid alternative to Labour, led by an early middle-aged non-entity who seems happy to serve up a menu of Blair-lite.
Much as I loathe the present Labour government, their replcacment by the current crop of Conservatives would be a backward step: it's painfully obvious that Cameron has no policies.
I can think of two examples of politicians who became well-known, without seeking personal publicity: Donald Dewar and John Biffen.
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« Reply #28 on: 18:12:41, 21-05-2007 » |
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Yes OK, but this thread was to talk about music and broadcasting As I said I like Mellor's programme on ClassicFM because he is not promoting chart CDs in the most-wanted list. He plays works rarely heard elsewhere on the station and does more than read off the CD notes. He will say if he's quoting the notes, and then will say what is his opinion. Mellor's 'if you liked that then you'll like this' theme gives the show a continuity that will often capture one's attention for the whole duration of the programme. This weekend he again grumbled about ClassicFM's weekday policy of playing mainly from the 'Hall of Fame' and he delighted in playing several works by Mozart that are rarely heard on the station. John W
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« Reply #29 on: 20:54:47, 21-05-2007 » |
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Although i find David Mellor a bit creepy used to enjoy programme called Across the Threshold where he used to have a guest every week and they picked their favourite pieces of music (kinda downmarket Private Passions) - i try and judge him as a person not a politician if thats possible
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