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Author Topic: Liszt .. A Faust Symphony  (Read 1382 times)
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« on: 21:12:21, 08-02-2007 »

Which year was this performed last at the Proms, and by whom?

Reason for asking; i have just found a cassette that I recorded it onto.

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« Reply #1 on: 21:29:25, 08-02-2007 »

Hi Echeveria,

It was performed in 2005 (I am fairly certain of this) by the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra with the conductor Gianandrea Noseada.  It has also been recorded for Chandos and was released on volume two of the Complete Symphonic Poems recordings (along with From the Cradle to the Grave).

If you have any questions on Liszt, I would be delighted to answer the for you as I am a complete Liszt fanatic (and member of the Liszt Society)

IMHO, it is the best recording of this excellent work.  Give the two piano version a go as well, it is most interesting!

P.S. Do you grow cacti or succulents?
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« Reply #2 on: 21:50:38, 08-02-2007 »

That was quick, thanks!

I have only the 2 piano concerti, Hungarian Dances, Totentanz, the Faust and The Lugubrious Gondola as yet. Suggestions of further Liszt are welcome.

Yes I do grow cacti, only on a windowsill unfortunately.

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« Reply #3 on: 22:55:31, 08-02-2007 »

Jonathan, Hi! I tried to contact the Liszt Society last year via the website (about getting hold of scores of the six short a capella choral pieces that the BBC Singers performed in the spring) but didn't get a reply. Can you post a reliable link/ email address? Even better - any info about those choral pieces would be greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #4 on: 18:43:05, 09-02-2007 »

Hi Roslynmuse,

I have a review to send to the Liszt Society (probably over the weekend) so I'll bring up your query! 
However, the email address given on http://www.lisztsoc.org.uk/ should work.
I'll try and find out for you!
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« Reply #5 on: 20:37:10, 09-02-2007 »

Thank you - I checked, that is the address I emailed to (15th April last year if that helps!)
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« Reply #6 on: 21:42:50, 09-02-2007 »

(Replying to posting 2)

Hi Echeveria (the reason I recognised your username is that I used to grow cacti and succulents as well, I don't have so many these days as they have gradually dwindled away over the last 20 or so years)

Anyway, here is a few thoughts about music by Liszt arranged (sort of) by category. 

The piano music: there is a lovely Berceuse in d flat, not at all like the Chopin piece, much more wayward and interesting.  There are 2 versions of this piece, the second is much more florid and cheapest recording is the one on the Naxos series, it’s on volume 10 and Jeno Jando plays both versions.  Also on this disc is the incredible Scherzo and March - really a superb piece and very rarely heard.  There's also the 3 Liebesträume (the first two are not heard very often, sadly) and the Elegie on themes by Fernand de Prusse which is lovely.  I could go on for hours about this, by the way!  Leslie Howard's excellent series on Hyperion is very well worth as listen - there are 97 CDs in total with numerous first recordings and also his realisations of works that were left in manuscript (as well as a few very well done completions).  To start with, I'd recommend volumes 2, 3, 6, 11, 14 and 21 - volumes 50 - 57 plus the two appendices to the series also contain some fascinating and rare works.  Liszt wrote about 1500 pieces in total, spread evenly through all fields from recitations to massive oratorios.  For example, he wrote an opera “Don Sanche” at the age of 11 and toyed with ideas for others all through his long life.

Liszt also wrote about 70 songs, some of which are lovely.  Try “Die Lorelei” and “O quand le jours” for a nice introduction to these.  They’ve actually been quite widely recorded so if you were interested, you shouldn’t have any problems finding performances on CD.
Not much of his choral music has been recorded, yet – he actually wrote over a hundred pieces of secular and sacred choral music.  Some of the late material is very strange, you make no mention of your particular era of interest, but I’ll try to give an overview of as much as I know!  (Having said that, I’m first and foremost a pianist so the piano music is where I know best!)  One of these late works that is interesting is “Via Crucis” – a setting of the 14 Stations of the Cross.  It is almost atonal in places but contains some interesting writing (there are several versions, one for solo piano, another for chorus and piano and a further one for organ and chorus – this is a version that once appeared on the from of a BBC music magazine years ago)

There are some well known and recorded orchestral works with choral sections in them, e.g. the “Faust” and “Dante” symphonies, both of which are really interesting but there are others.  There is a piece called “4 Autran Choruses” which was the precursor to “Les Preludes” – the very well known symphonic poem.  I’ve heard it once, a long time ago and I don’t know if it’s been released publicly.  There is also a recording on a cheap label (one of the HMV ones, I think) of a setting of Psalm 113 that is very nice.  He also set Psalm 137 “By the waters of Babylon” which I haven’t yet heard!  “Christus” is a huge oratorio, lasting about 3 hours.  It is a masterpiece and well worth a listen.  I'd also recommend The Legend of Saint Elizabeth which my wife and I listened to over Christmas last and it is most interesting.

I hope this is of help, any more questions, feel free to ask!  And, if you really get hooked on Liszt, follow the link I posted earlier to the Liszt society and join - the journal and music section is well worth the price of joining!
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« Reply #7 on: 22:00:07, 09-02-2007 »

Can I echo Jonathan's comments about Via Crucis - I love this piece and I have introduced many friends to it! I am hoping to organise a perfomance of the choir and organ version in 2008. There's a great recording by the Corydon Singers/ Matthew Best/ Thomas Trotter on Hyperion, and Leslie Howard has (of course!) recorded the piano version. His mammoth project is well worth investigating - I am working my way through the CDs gradually! There may be performances of individual works by other pianists that are better, but - what an achievement! I must also recommend Alan Walker's 3-volume biography - I found it completely addictive and inspiring, and can't praise it highly enough!

It's great to know there are Lisztians out there; I got hooked when I was about 11 by an LP of popular Liszt piano music played by France Clidat on Decca's World of... series - I played it over and over and I still think her interpretations and pianism compare with the very best. Strange we don't hear anything of her nowadays.
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« Reply #8 on: 15:27:50, 10-02-2007 »

Roslynmuse,
Have you heard about Alan Walker's (sort of) 4th book in the Liszt biography series?  It's called "The Death of Franz Liszt" and is a translation of his pupil, Lina Schmallahusen's diary that she kept during the last 2 week of Liszt's life.  It's a really despressing read but it sheds light on what really happened in July 1886 and I recommend it as a sequel to the other three.
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« Reply #9 on: 16:29:38, 10-02-2007 »

don't forget the wagner piano transcriptions! i can only actually recommend the Liebestod, this being the only one i've ever heard (and played), but i'm sure the others are just as good.
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« Reply #10 on: 16:30:40, 05-03-2007 »

I'd like to echo the recommendations for Via Crucis which was my introduction to Liszt - austere stuff ! I'd recommend some of the psalms too - get to hear psalm 137, Jonathan - you won't be disappointed !
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« Reply #11 on: 21:57:06, 05-03-2007 »

In January 1974, Jean Martinon became conductor of the Residentie Orchestra. He died only a little more than two years later. The members of the Residentie Orchestra, the male chorus Die Haghe Sanghers (Bohuslav Martinu worked closely together with this chorus and dedicated his Prophecy of Isaiah to it) and tenor Philip Langridge decided then to issue an In Memoriam record in honour of Jean Martinon on three separate LPs. These were not sold in shops but given to members and friends of the orchestra. I don’t know if these recordings (made by Dutch national radio) were ever re-issued on LP or CD. I found my copy in a second hand store.

There are two large works on these records: Liszt’s Faust-Symphony and Mahlers Tenth Symphony (the 1972 version by Deryck Cooke). The Mahler was recorded in 1975 and although it isn’t a splendid performance (nor is the recording) it is still a very moving account of this remarkable piece of music. I don’t know who wrote the notes on the sleeve of the record (in Dutch), there are only the initials BLK, but this man or woman surely does know a lot about Mahler’s unfinished symphony. I wonder if the BBC made a recording of the first version conducted by Berthold Goldschmmidt. But the real joy of this record is the Faust-Symphony. A very fine recording (technically also better than the Mahler) by the Residentie Orchestra, Die Haghe Sanghers and Philip Langridge. It was made in 1974.
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« Reply #12 on: 22:17:17, 05-03-2007 »

Hi All,
Autoharp - I have ordered a CD with Via Crucis on it and am eagerly awaiting its delivery (might be while though as it's coming from America!)

pim_derks, thanks for the interesting posting - I was actually unaware that Jean Martinon had actually died (I would only have been 4 when that hapened).  I have his Saint-Saens symphony recordings and they are superb.  I was unaware he'd recorded the "Faust" - I'll have to have a chat with the Liszt Society about it when I get a chance, as perhaps they have a view on this recording?
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« Reply #13 on: 22:23:31, 18-03-2007 »

Just to second most of the recommendations and also add another book - Lettres d'un Voyageur, edited by Charles Suttoni, a collection of Liszt's early letters, during his time as a touring virtuoso. Fascinating stuff, often not what you would imagine. Try this, for example, from a letter to Georges Sand from 1837:

'Social art is no more and has yet to return. What, then, do we usually see these days? Sculptors? No, just statue makers. Painters? No, just picture makers. Composers? No, just music makers. Artisans everywhere, and not an artist to be seen. and this state of affairs also imposes cruel suffering no one who was born with the pride and fierce independence of a true son of art. All about him he sees a mob of those who manufacture art paying heed to the public' caprice, striving assiduously to gratify the fantasies of rich simpletons, and obeying the slightest whim of fashion. So eager are they to bow their heads and abase themselves that it seems difficult to believe that they could stoop so low! He must accept these people as brothers and watch the crowd, confusing him with them, offer him the same coarse appreciation, the same childish, dazed admiration. And don't let anyone tell you that this is the suffering of injured vanity and self-esteem. No, no, you know it well, you who are so highly placed that no rival can touch you. The bitter tears that fall at times from our eyelids are those of one who, adoring the True god, sees His temple invaded by idols and the gullible populace kneeling before the gods of mud and stone for which they have abandoned the Madonna's altar and the worship of the Living God.'

Or this one to the editor of the Gazette Musicale in 1839, on 'Musical Conditions in Italy' Smiley

'Understandably, the study of these compositions hardly ever produces first-rate actors and singers. Beautiful voices are relatively common in Italy compared to other countries. People are born in this privileged land with a natural aptitude for the arts. They have the fiery look, the lively gesture, and the enthusiastic nature that make an artist. Yet the number of distinguished singers, male and female, is very small. The carelessness of the composers inspires carelessness in their interpreters. Roles that have not been thought out seriously by the former are surely not studied seriously by the latter. Everyone here has adopted a standard procedure, a conventional manner for rendering all feelings and situations. The public, which is quite familiar with the stereotypes, has also developed the habit of invariably applauding the effects. Typically, they are: violent and sudden contrasts of pianissimo and fortissimo, whether motivated or not; quasi-convulsive accents in the singing; and terrible cries at the end of a piece when the character’s situation has become pathetic and the action turns to combat, vengeance, or despair. The Grand Cry is indispensable to anyone who aspires to become a cantante di cartello. An actress would not know how to fall to the floor or into an armchair without her Grand Cry. The Grand Cry is a useful replacement for the chromatic scale, the leap of a tenth, and the improvised cadenza, all of which have been declared overly fussy and in poor taste today. Scales, difficulties, and bravura are no longer in fashion. Many people credit Bellini’s music with bringing about the change, taking it to be progress, a welcome revolution in the arts. I must confess that it is difficult for me to share that view. The “progress” from Rossini to Donizetti has not been clearly demonstrated to me; and as for the revolution that substituted mawkish sentimentality for agility and cheap effects for lavish profusion, I doubt that it will ever be very gratifying – except, of course, to those lazy Ladies and Gentlemen, the singers.
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« Reply #14 on: 22:25:01, 18-03-2007 »

And amongst lesser-known piano works, do try the early Apparitions in particular. Wondrous and quite delirious stuff.
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