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« Reply #15 on: 23:42:54, 02-10-2007 » |
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I like the Herreweghe as well -- I like virtually everything he's ever done, really -- but something's missing, somehow.
  About 50kg would be my estimate. |
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aaron cassidy
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« Reply #16 on: 23:58:53, 02-10-2007 » |
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About 50kg would be my estimate.
HA!  Well done, Richard. But, yes, actually .... probably it's also more to do w/ the 100 or so missing singers (and lord knows how many string players). |
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stuart macrae
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« Reply #17 on: 00:06:38, 03-10-2007 » |
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For me, there's only one real recording of the piece:  Oh! Oh! Battle! Chicago! Levine! I must have this! Must buy! Must buy! (anyone want to give me a job in marketing?  ) |
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aaron cassidy
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« Reply #19 on: 00:23:14, 03-10-2007 » |
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(well you haven't sold it to me but you were up against such an appalling weight of evidence that there was no way you were going to ) You'll have to explain yourself there, Sudden. |
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #20 on: 00:34:56, 03-10-2007 » |
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The work isn't too long, there are practically no weak spots (where are they?), and it is certainly not overrated. And the last movement is one of the most sublime pieces of music ever written. Also, I don't see how the work panders to the 'puritanical zeal' of the time any more than any other sacred pieces from the same period. It's extremely rich in every sense, and deeply compositionally adventurous in ways that go far beyond the sacred subject matter (and there's plenty of evidence that Brahms conceived it as much in terms of his relationship to Clara, and his response to the death of his mother, as anything else). Abounds with further developments of musical ideas from Schütz. Bach, Schubert, Schumann, and others. Brahms was not entirely comfortable with his title for the work, saying in one letter that he really intended it more as a 'human' requiem.
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #21 on: 00:43:48, 03-10-2007 » |
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(well you haven't sold it to me but you were up against such an appalling weight of evidence that there was no way you were going to ) You'll have to explain yourself there, Sudden. |
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ahinton
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« Reply #22 on: 00:45:08, 03-10-2007 » |
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The work isn't too long, there are practically no weak spots (where are they?), and it is certainly not overrated.
Agreed on all three counts (although I'd still be more than willing to sacrifice the odd performance of it for a decent one of the far more infrequently performed Schicksalslied)... And the last movement is one of the most sublime pieces of music ever written.
I wouldn't quite go that far - well, not QUITE that far!... Best, Alistair |
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ahinton
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« Reply #23 on: 00:48:43, 03-10-2007 » |
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(well you haven't sold it to me but you were up against such an appalling weight of evidence that there was no way you were going to ) You'll have to explain yourself there, Sudden. Whatever anyone might think of this work or indeed of any of its recorded performances, it surely is not deserving of any commentary in 2 point... Best, Alistair (the somewhat optically challenged observer)... |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #24 on: 01:08:01, 03-10-2007 » |
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Yes indeed the tiny script habit of the Marquis of Odder Sullivan has become a bit tiresome to the Chafer as well, who is never afraid to express his dissatisfaction about things, much to the chagrin of others and his own later regret.
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #25 on: 01:09:22, 03-10-2007 » |
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Ahem Mr Chafer. I do it for asides I suspect will be of little interest to others. As opposed to all my other posts. Yes, OK, I see the logic problem.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #26 on: 01:13:18, 03-10-2007 » |
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I worry about the dietary habits of Member Sudden, on discovering that his name is an anagram of 'Lives on Udder'.
(totally off-topic, I know)
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #27 on: 01:17:04, 03-10-2007 » |
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It's an allusion to the milk of human kindness. Anyway. Brahms? |
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #28 on: 01:21:57, 03-10-2007 » |
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(totally off-topic, I know)
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stuart macrae
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« Reply #29 on: 02:07:32, 03-10-2007 » |
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well at least he's not a 'nude sid lover'. Oh wait, he is.
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