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Author Topic: Brahms the Allusionist  (Read 1931 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 17:36:18, 23-01-2008 »

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« Reply #31 on: 21:06:06, 23-01-2008 »

I'll let Reiner make his point on his own, but I suspect he's thinking of things like Vergangen ist mir Glück und Heil or perhaps the Passacaglia theme from the 4th Symphony? But those two have such different affects, I'm not sure what the connection is; they are merely examples of chorale texture that come to mind.

I also want to comment that chorale texture as such is frequent in the music of Mendelssohn (especially the moment in Op. 35/i fugue), and that these citations are more affirmative of Luther than of Germany per se. Was Brahms a Lutheran?
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« Reply #32 on: 21:20:19, 23-01-2008 »

There's a deeply wonderful allusion to O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden in the song Auf dem Kirchhofe op. 105/4. Anything but nationalistic though.

I only realised recently that the passacaglia theme in the Brahms 4 finale as it's first presented not only starts on the subdominant chord but doesn't actually have a dominant chord. (At least, it doesn't have one that isn't chromatically altered.)
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« Reply #33 on: 21:24:42, 23-01-2008 »

Was Brahms a Lutheran?
Given that he was a Hamburger it seems likely, doesn't it?
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« Reply #34 on: 21:44:36, 23-01-2008 »

Brahms was born and raised as a typical North German Protestant, and showed some interest in scripture when growing up, but in adult life he was known as a freethinker, even agnostic, certainly not someone devout (he hated being thought of as an orthodox church composer on account of having written sacred compositions). Note that (with reference to claims of nationalism) he said that about Ein Deutsches Requiem (whose text never mentions Christ's name) that 'I will admit that I could happily delete the [word] 'German' and substitute instead 'Human''.

As far as the passacaglia in the 4th Symphony in particular is concerned, I hardly hear it as some attempt to drive home a nationalistic German message, more a realisation of the continuing potential of that particular musical form.
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« Reply #35 on: 21:52:13, 23-01-2008 »

As far as the passacaglia in the 4th Symphony in particular is concerned, I hardly hear it as some attempt to drive home a nationalistic German message, more a realisation of the continuing potential of that particular musical form.

Indeed. It's never struck me as any more nationalistic than Berg's use of Es ist genug in his Violin Concerto. Webern's orchestration of Bach's Ricercar might perhaps be more promising territory for nationalism witch-hunters?
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« Reply #36 on: 22:02:17, 23-01-2008 »

I only realised recently that the passacaglia theme in the Brahms 4 finale as it's first presented not only starts on the subdominant chord but doesn't actually have a dominant chord. (At least, it doesn't have one that isn't chromatically altered.)

That's right. And the 'chromatically altered' chord, the penultimate one, is your classic augmented 6th or, if you prefer, B7 over F - the jazzers' fave! But note Brahms' Baroque instincts in resolving that to the major (E) in order to create a dominant preparation for the ensuing repeat, starting on A minor... sort of brilliant.
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« Reply #37 on: 22:03:21, 23-01-2008 »

Perhaps more answers are to be found in Daniel Beller-McKenna's Brahms and the German Spirit (Harvard UP, 2005). Here is the publisher's blurb:

The music of Johannes Brahms is deeply colored, Daniel Beller-McKenna shows, by nineteenth-century German nationalism and by Lutheran religion. Focusing on the composer's choral works, the author offers new insight on the cultural grounding for Brahms's music.

Music historians have been reluctant to address Brahms's Germanness, wary perhaps of fascist implications. Beller-McKenna counters this tendency; by giving an account of the intertwining of nationalism, politics, and religion that underlies major works, he restores Brahms to his place in nineteenth-century German culture. The author explores Brahms's interest in the folk element in old church music; the intense national pride expressed in works such as the Triumphlied; the ways Luther's Bible and Lutheranism are reflected in Brahms's music; and the composer's ideas about nation building. The final chapter looks at Brahms's nationalistic image as employed by the National Socialists, 1933-1945, and as witnessed earlier in the century (including the complication of rumors that Brahms was Jewish).

In comparison to the overtly nationalist element in Wagner's music, the German elements in Brahms's style have been easy to overlook. This nuanced study uncovers those nationalistic elements, enriching our understanding both of Brahms's art and of German culture.

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« Reply #38 on: 22:12:08, 23-01-2008 »

As far as the passacaglia in the 4th Symphony in particular is concerned, I hardly hear it as some attempt to drive home a nationalistic German message, more a realisation of the continuing potential of that particular musical form.

Indeed. It's never struck me as any more nationalistic than Berg's use of Es ist genug in his Violin Concerto.
Hm. For me that's not quite the best of possible examples in that I do have the suspicion the chorale (and the concerto as a whole) was intended as some sort of engagement with nationalism. A repudiation, says Douglas Jarman; I wish I were so sure but the sketches do seem to hint it may have been an engagement whichever way it was intended...
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« Reply #39 on: 22:19:39, 23-01-2008 »

As far as the passacaglia in the 4th Symphony in particular is concerned, I hardly hear it as some attempt to drive home a nationalistic German message, more a realisation of the continuing potential of that particular musical form.

Indeed. It's never struck me as any more nationalistic than Berg's use of Es ist genug in his Violin Concerto.
Hm. For me that's not quite the best of possible examples in that I do have the suspicion the chorale (and the concerto as a whole) was intended as some sort of engagement with nationalism. A repudiation, says Douglas Jarman; I wish I were so sure but the sketches do seem to hint it may have been an engagement whichever way it was intended...
I did say it's never struck me. Until now ...  Undecided
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« Reply #40 on: 22:22:56, 23-01-2008 »

The Cambridge Companion to Berg has a fine article dealing with the subject...
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« Reply #41 on: 22:35:50, 23-01-2008 »

The Cambridge Companion to Berg has a fine article dealing with the subject...

Ta for that lead.

I wonder what the possible nationalist subtexts are to a native Viennese composer using music by a German (Saxon) Lutheran? Particularly at that time. The Berg and Webern both date from 1935: aren't they both just 250th anniversary tributes? (Well, I know they're both much more than that, but you get my drift ...)
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« Reply #42 on: 23:52:05, 23-01-2008 »

I haven't actually read Beller-McKenna's book yet, but know some of his ideas from other articles he's written. Overall, his work does tend to accord with certain now almost-hackneyed American musicological strategies with respect to the much-despised Germany - find the slightest hints that a composer thought favourably about their country and culture (which could probably be found in just about any nineteenth-century composer of whatever country, if one looks hard enough), then it's only a small step to insinuations about the Third Reich, and so on (Debussy's rabid nationalism is rarely treated anything like as harshly). From what I gather in reviews, Beller-McKenna focuses primarily upon three works: the now-familiar whipping boy (as for example in Taruskin) of the Triumphlied (undoubtedly a rather embarrassing nationalistic piece of bombast, though hardly representative of Brahms's works, and long regarded as one of his weakest compositions), the Fest- und Gedenksprüche (a complicated case), and the Requiem. Beller-McKenna wrote at length on the Requiem in his article 'How "deutsch" a Requiem? Absolute Music, Universality and the Reception of Brahms's "Ein deutsches Requiem", op. 45', in 19th-Century Music, Vol. 22 No. 1 (Summer 1998), pp. 3-19. I don't know if his view of this work in the book is the same as that in the earlier article; anyhow, in the latter, he makes several arguments. One (also very like Taruskin) is to claim that Brahms's idea that the work was as much of a 'human' as 'German' requiem represents typical 19th-century German nationalism aspiring to universality (this argument constructs a convenient damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't clause).

For the second point Beller-McKenna makes, a bit of context is necessary. The majority of the work was composed in 1865-66 (the fifth movement was added afterwards, and the second movement may have been composed much earlier, in the 1850s); the Austro-Prussian War, to which Brahms was opposed, was fought in 1866. Brahms's comment about omitting the word 'German' from the title is thus (perhaps quite reasonably) interpreted by Beller-McKenna as a way of distancing himself from the current political turmoil (very different to in 1870-71, time of the Franco-Prussian War and the composition of the Triumphlied). In a letter to Adolf Schubring of 1869, Brahms said with high sarcasm (as one often finds in his correspondence) 'Have you then not discovered the political allusions in my Requiem? "Gott erhalte" was begun precisely in the year 1866'. This is a reference to a possible similarity between the opening melody of the Requiem and Haydn's "Gott erhalte unsere Kaiser", which, whilst it did not become the national anthem of Germany until 1922, was known much earlier as an appeal for German unification (though it has been argued that it had other liberal overtones - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_national_anthem ). Note that Brahms was familiar with attempts to uncover certain types of allusions in his music (a process that has not stopped right until the present day), one reason for his sarcasm. I get the impression that Beller-McKenna is trying to insinuate that this allusion did have political meaning just by including it in a musical example (he may be right), but this is a hunch; he does not say so explicitly. Anyhow, he goes on to point out that for many in Brahms's time, it was possible to view the inherited Lutheran tradition as 'as much a cultural tradition as a system of faith'. This certainly seems to have been the case with Brahms who, for example, rejected the doctrine of the immortality of the soul (and this from the composer of 'Selig sind die Toten'!). But then Beller-McKenna reasons from this, rather tenuously, that thus the use of a German rather than Latin text, and the associated interest in that cultural tradition, might therefore be a type of nationalistic or at least patriotic utterance (also drawing in such highly speculative reasons as that 'Language formed a central part of German identity for Romantic nationalists of the generation before Brahms'). However, he does also draw attention of Brahms's conscious attempts to distance himself from the type of volkisch nationalism espoused by Wagner amongst others (Brahms may have had some time for a Herderian world-view in his early compositions, and set some of Herder's poetry, but I have not seen any reason to believe this ran particularly deep, certainly not compared with other composers of the same era).

Much of the rest of Beller-McKenna's article deals with the construction of the Bach-Beethoven-Brahms axis, again viewed in a nationalistic sense, suggestions that Brahms's particular type of individualism accorded with certain Lutheran ideals (this sort of argument has been made by various New Musicologists, including McClary, in an attempt to taint a celebration of abstract instrumental music itself with nationalism), and further stuff about how Brahms's claims to be speaking for humanity constitutes some manifestation of nationalistic Germanic claims to universality (again, this is a stick that Taruskin uses to bash Germans with, frequently). He even starts to associate Brahms's liberalism (explored in detail by Margaret Notley, in 'Brahms as Liberal', in 19th-century Music 17/2 (fall 1993), pp. 107-23), as somehow tied in with questions of German national identity.

I find these arguments highly unconvincing: for the most part, Brahms's having written a work that drew upon musical and cultural traditions that were common and developed in the German-speaking world in his time seems enough to taint him with nationalism. Indeed, the whole concept of 'Absolute Music' is held up in such a manner not just by Beller-McKenna, but also others - in the service, as I said before, of what I see as a pathological anti-German agenda which has come to run deep in certain strands of American musicology (and resounds well with wider anti-German sentiments that have developed in American political discourse especially since the end of the Cold War). But I've been meaning to read Beller-McKenna's full book for a while (it's not especially relevant to my own Brahms work, but I'm interested); I will report back when I have done so.

It's worth also pointing out that Brahms was passionately opposed to anti-semitism, especially of the type that was gaining much ground in the Vienna of the 1890s, and was horrified by the rise of politicians espousing such a creed, making his feelings clear to many. I don't want to deny that Brahms did exhibit some nationalistic tendencies - certainly he did at times - but this is hardly surprising given his historical time, with the establishment of Germany as a nation. Furthermore, I don't believe they were for the most part any more pronunced (and in some ways considerably less so) than those of many other composers from various countries during the same period. Certainly no worse than with, say, Verdi - but do we lead from that to an association of Verdi with Mussolini?
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« Reply #43 on: 00:02:44, 24-01-2008 »

Ian, I agree with your point about anti-German agendas (at least sixty years on!).

German and Austrian composers deemed to be nationalist are still treated with rather more sensationalism and censure (explicit or implicit) than French, British, Russian or Czech ones, to name just a few. Elgar and RVW with English resonances are fine, but not Brahms, Berg or Webern with German ones. As for someone like Janacek, his anti-German, pan-Slavist views would probably go down well in some areas of early 21st-century eastern Europe.
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« Reply #44 on: 00:05:08, 24-01-2008 »

There are various reviews of Beller-McKenna's book that can be accessed either directly online or via academic online sources - this, written by a historian, is rather interesting.
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